Better Pointing into the Wind

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Ixneigh » Fri May 10, 2019 6:58 pm

Hi Neo.
It comes down to shape. The hank on jib can have the ideal shape. A roller furling jib has to roll up. It’s shape is partially dictated by that. The RF genny can’t be rolled to reduce it to working jib size effectively either. Yes the hank on Jib is a pain. But with practice it gets better. I have the after market cruising jib. I leave it up to two reefs in the main. Hard on the wind I average about five knots at heel just shy of dog revolt. Where shape comes in is also power to punch through chop, not just speed.
The macs need good sails since they are such a compromise. The more “right” everything is, the better they will sail. Upwind will suck in any boat though. Im sailing mine harder then I normally do in prep for a Bahamas trip. I need to really know what her capabilities are. And fix a few leaks and other fine tuning.

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Neo » Sat May 11, 2019 1:40 am

Thanks Ixneigh.
Ixneigh wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 6:58 pm
dog revolt
Sound yuk :D ... but what angle is this?

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Ixneigh » Sun May 12, 2019 7:01 pm

They start to give me “the look” at around 20 degrees.

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Neo » Mon May 13, 2019 5:18 am

Ixneigh wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 7:01 pm
They start to give me “the look” at around 20 degrees.
A man after my own heart ... I love to heel 8)

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by 1st Sail » Mon May 13, 2019 9:30 pm

I had a down haul on my hank on jib until I replaced it with the CF500. It is a great way to drop the head sail fast as you can pull the line. Gets the sail to the deck fast and pins it to the head stay/deck. Being able to drop the head sail fast reduces the time the sail can trap air on the way down and dump in the water. And you don't have to go forward to handle the head sail.

I plan to use the head stay down haul as a main sail down haul. The new sail cloth is heavy and generates a lot of power. With full battens the sail wants to sail all the time. The moment you are not pointed dead to the wind or the wind shifts on your heading the main starts sailing. The moment the sail starts to load it will not drop under it's own weight even with the boom free to align with the wind and sail slugs. I usually have to go topside to pull it down by hand. The old OEM sail would drop dead to the deck unless I lost my heading to the wind. The moment I turned back to the wind So back to the beginning, the better the sail shape the greater the power. Needless to say I was surprised the first time I headed into the wind to drop the main. The main did what I spent the money for. Improved performance to the wind! Didn't see that one coming. There is enough load on the sail track to keep the main from dropping without having to go top side. Adding the down haul will solve the problem.

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Baha » Thu May 16, 2019 9:28 am

Neo wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 5:18 am
Ixneigh wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 7:01 pm
They start to give me “the look” at around 20 degrees.
A man after my own heart ... I love to heel 8)
Ah, but, as my first 2 sailing instructors told me.."A flat boat is a fast boat"... :)

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Neo » Thu May 16, 2019 2:49 pm

Baha wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 9:28 am
Ah, but, as my first 2 sailing instructors told me.."A flat boat is a fast boat"... :)
If I cared about "fast" I would still be driving my boring speedboat 8)

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by 1st Sail » Sun May 19, 2019 10:46 pm

Speaking of fast. The preceding comments are spot on. The ultimate benefit of properly trimmed sails and proper sail shape (if you are so fortunate) is fast. No so much that fast is important you just receive it as a direct benefit from your decision to trim properly. Secondarily less heel for you and your crew thus more comfort. So it not so important that you achieve 'fast'. Just know fast comes for free when you make good choices. You also have the choice to depower and let out some line if you so choose. So it's a win-win.

So Neo I hope you are sailing. Let us know your results.
I am still flooded off the river most likely until June 1. Unfortunately we have lost almost 2 months of sailing.

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Re: Better Pointing into the Wind

Post by Neo » Mon May 20, 2019 3:25 am

Not sailing yet 1st Sail may be in the next couple of weeks ... Hope your flood waters subside real soon.

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