New to the forum with some mast crutch problems

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magnumopus
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Sailboat: Venture 2-22

New to the forum with some mast crutch problems

Post by magnumopus »

Hello,

I just bought a '78 Venture 222 last week. Although I've been on the water in canoes and kayaks (with and without sails) my whole life, this is my first sailboat. Everything is pretty good on it except the wiring (which the old owner tried to redo himself) and the mast crutch. I have been practicing getting the mast up and down by myself using the boom vang blocks and a longer line. Everything was working well when I had the mast stepped and could raise and lower it myself no problem. Getting the mast down was my real problem, going up wasn't so bad even without any mechanical advantage. Anyway, I figured with that working I would pack the mast up and take it out on the water.

The problem with the mast crutch is it's just a pole with a half piece of PVC pipe screwed to the top. Not the best setup. Anyway that will be a later project. I'm not sure what the base to anyone else's looks like but mine is just a wide stainless steel L that goes on the top and back along the outside edge with a pole bracket on top . So sliding the mast toward the bow was okay because pole was supported from bending by the piece down the back.

When I got to the marina and was pushing the mast towards the stern the whole thing cracked off right through the fiberglass. I wasn't even really pushing too hard just the weight of the mast on an angle had enough to cause it to let go. I suspect it might have been about ready to go at any time. After thinking about it I realized that the support should be a U and not an L to give support in both directions. But what I'm wondering is what everybody else has for their crutch setup, like does anybody use any supports up higher to keep the whole thing from moving back and forth. I realize a good roller is in order but that is more of a winter project to build a new crutch. If I can get away with reusing the hardware that I have and maybe supporting it better I could focus on some more important things first before winter.... like repairing the fiberglass I just broke :|

Oh and everything went well on the water. I've got some learning to do to get the hang of everything single handed but it was a good first time out.
paulkayak
Deckhand
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Sailboat: MacGregor 26S
Location: North Channel, Georgian Bay, Lake Huron

Re: New to the forum with some mast crutch problems

Post by paulkayak »

Welcome to the sailing world. Interesting to hear you come from the canoe and kayak world. I also have an extensive canoe and kayak history and it if funny that half my old kayak buds have turned to sailing as the years pass. I have the Mac26s, and friends have had a 25 and one friend just picked up a Mac22. The 25 and the 22 they have did not seem to come with a mast raising system. I know that the 26S, 26X and 26M did come with the mast raising system. My 26S works very nicely. It has the wire baby stays. I have read that the rope baby stays are not as good. But I have no personal experience with them.
To see the system check out the manuals under the resources tab at the top of this page. The manuals for the 26S, 26X and the 26M have a good description of the mast raising system and there are some differences and it may give you some ideas on how to improve yours.
magnumopus
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Sailboat: Venture 2-22

Re: New to the forum with some mast crutch problems

Post by magnumopus »

So I managed to repair the mast crutch and hole in the boat as best I could. If anyone is interested I have some pics of some of the repair process. This was my first time working with fiberglass so it was quite a learning experience for me. Everything went well though. I also made a new crutch which works much better than the half piece of PVC that was screwed to the steel post before. At least it now has a sort of roller and the mast can't slip off the sides. I also added they eye bolt you can see in the close up pick. I'll run a line from that to each winch when I'm pushing the mast to the stern to keep the crutch from bending back too far if something were to get hung up without me noticing. That should keep me from having to do this repair again. It takes a lot of time and a lot of sanding for such a small hole.


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81venture
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Location: Wake Forest, NC

Re: New to the forum with some mast crutch problems

Post by 81venture »

When I had my Vn23 I made a mast crutch on the stern rail out of a chunk of SS tube, and a life ring hanger. It was removeable and stowed for sailing

I sold the VN23 to Jason (on this forum...Venture Out) but it still sits in my yard so I can put up a pic if you like

Dave
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