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What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Inquisitor » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm

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:( This is embarrassing. I searched BWY and couldn't find one to get a name. I searched Google for "thing that connects cables to mast". No luck. I thought it was also called a bridle, but that keeps getting me anchor bridles on the Internet and here on the forum. If I could just find a name, I'd like to see what recommendations there are on the forum.

This is a second one so I can raise the Asym Spinnaker. I'm tired of it fighting with all the other connections on the main one for the shrouds. I assume if I get it too high, it might damage the mast. Seems like I recall Highlander has a mast-head one, but he also has another set of shrouds to the mast-head. For this month, I'd do the lower Asym mount either off the anchor roller or the pulpit. Eventually, I want to make a bowsprit and would like this second thing to be at a good height for the bowsprit geometry.

I'm guessing if I just knew what to call it, there'd be plenty of hits.

Thanks all. :)
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by NiceAft » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:01 pm

A forestay Block Hound, or a Mast Hound.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan- ... nd--545707
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Jimmyt » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:40 pm

http://shop.bwyachts.com/product-p/3430-1m0.htm

I think I put mine at least 18" above the forestay/Furler connection... if you need me to measure it, let me know. I've slept twice since I put it on, so memory isn't trustworthy. :)
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Inquisitor » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:21 pm

NiceAft wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:01 pm
A forestay Block Hound, or a Mast Hound.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan- ... nd--545707
Jimmyt wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:40 pm
http://shop.bwyachts.com/product-p/3430-1m0.htm

I think I put mine at least 18" above the forestay/Furler connection... if you need me to measure it, let me know. I've slept twice since I put it on, so memory isn't trustworthy. :)
Just twice? :D

Thanks guys!

Using NiceAft's terms, and searching the forum, I found this one viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17817&hilit=mast+hound that I think most closely matched what I need, but it really didn't specify a distance. I think I understand Highlander's post, but his is far more modified than mine. I also have a sock/chutescoop...

Do you use a sock on yours (and/or does that make a difference)?

I figure if I eventually do a 3' bowsprit, don't I want to keep the same angle... line from bowsprit end to new hound would be parallel with main forestay??? Or should I have a different angle? I'm just not seeing an obvious/better methodology.
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Tomfoolery » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:59 pm

18” above the forestay hound is where most put it for a spinnaker. And yes, if using a Chute Scoop with hoop (especially), you need the extra room, but 18” is fine.

As to parallel to the forestay, I don’t see any particular reason it has to be. An asymmetric spinnaker doesn’t use a stay like a typical head sail; it’s just a big bed sheet, attached at three points.
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Russ » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:57 am

I added one, not for a spinaker, but a backup forestay.
Just a single line from mast hound to bow pulpit in case the forestay fails.
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by March » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:29 pm

Me, too... like Russ did. I use it to haul up the spinnaker, but most of the time, it is just an additional forestay--just in case

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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Inquisitor » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:59 pm

Russ wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:57 am
I added one, not for a spinaker, but a backup forestay.
Just a single line from mast hound to bow pulpit in case the forestay fails.
March wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:29 pm
Me, too... like Russ did. I use it to haul up the spinnaker, but most of the time, it is just an additional forestay--just in case
This is a great idea... I could simply run the halyard to the pulpit instead of back down the mast. That is if I cut it long enough to handle that extra distance.

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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by NiceAft » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:44 pm

Inquisitor wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:59 pm
Russ wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:57 am
I added one, not for a spinaker, but a backup forestay.
Just a single line from mast hound to bow pulpit in case the forestay fails.
March wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:29 pm
Me, too... like Russ did. I use it to haul up the spinnaker, but most of the time, it is just an additional forestay--just in case
This is a great idea... I could simply run the halyard to the pulpit instead of back down the mast. That is if I cut it long enough to handle that extra distance.

Thanks,
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Just be certain that the halyard you refer to can handle that load.

If the forestay should fail, the sudden pull on that line could be excessive. Instead of just a tree falling, now there potentialy is a whip along with it.
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by March » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:52 pm

Good point, Ray. But if this second forestay is tight, there would be no extra strain to the mast--at first, that is. The mast would get weightier as it moves off its vertical position, backwards, If the real foerstay fails, the mast will probably go back a foot, at most. Even of the furler comes back parallel to the mast, the rope will still hold -- I hope, LOL,

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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by DaveC426913 » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:40 am

Russ wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:57 am
I added one, not for a spinaker, but a backup forestay.
Just a single line from mast hound to bow pulpit in case the forestay fails.
Forestay failure is my #1 fear.
Can you provide deets/pix?
If the force of a falling mast could break a halyard, could it also rip a pulpit off?
Are there any operational considerations such as interference with a furled sail?
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Re: What is this and where should I put it?

Post by Tomfoolery » Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:17 am

I leave my spinnaker halyard tied off to the center of the bow rail, mainly because it's convenient.

I don't worry about the forestay. It's new or nearly so, and it's the upsized 5/32" wire rope (standard is 1/8").

It's important to keep that spin halyard rather tight or it will interfere with the furler. No problem if it's moderately tensioned, which should also alleviate your concerns about shock loading.
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