Already lost half my summer

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Kaceys ' Charm
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Already lost half my summer

Post by Kaceys ' Charm »

I'm going for 8-10 weeks of out of town training for work starting late April. Then I have a wedding/trip planned for early July, so half my summer is shot. Again :x Now what. I was thinking about three options and would like opions about which one you'd choose.
1. Put the boat in the slip for the 2.5 months at our usual marina at the pro-rated price of $800.(This is the Admirals choice for convenience and amenities offered)
2. Leave the boat in another marina on the trailer with the mast up for $385 (this is the option I was thinking although they have less security and the water level at the ramp gets low late in the season)
3. Leave the boat in the driveway and trailer it for a few weekend getaways. (although I'd buy a new forestay and genoa with hanks for easier set up at the cost of $530 or so)
I'm not sure which way I'd like to go. Option 1 would get me out more. Option 2 would save money. Option 3 would have me sail less this year but experience new places and give me more flexability in the future.
Thanks,
Sean
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Re: Already lost half my summer

Post by Trouts Dream »

Kaceys ' Charm wrote: Option 1 would get me out more.
But our summers are short here
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Re: Already lost half my summer

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Option 3 would have me sail less this year but experience new places and give me more flexability in the future.

That is why our boats come with trailers, to get out and explore new places.
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Re: Already lost half my summer

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#3 - for what S.H. Steve said!
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Re: Already lost half my summer

Post by Rick Westlake »

Kaceys ' Charm wrote:3. Leave the boat in the driveway and trailer it for a few weekend getaways. (although I'd buy a new forestay and genoa with hanks for easier set up at the cost of $530 or so)
Why remove the furler, Sean? I would respectfully submit that you'd do better to rig a "furler tray" to secure it to the butt of the mast for travel.

I made my furler tray out of a split piece of 4" PVC pipe, with short pieces of split 3" pipe epoxied on as "clamps" to attach it to the mast:

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This is from ahead of the bow. The furler drum is too big around to fit in the tray, but the furled & sleeved genoa fits nicely.

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This is from the foredeck, so you can see how it clamps onto the mast for trailering. I clip this on as soon as I've lowered the mast, while it's still bolted to the tabernacle, and lay the furler in it before I carry the mast-butt up to the bow-pulpit bracket.

You can also see that I cut the PVC pipe "over center" so that it does a better job of containing the furler; more of a "C" section than a half-circle.

The black object under the furler luff is my whisker-pole ring; it limits the length of the tray to about 7 feet, but that's plenty to support the furler. You can also see that I tie it to the mast with a couple of short lengths of line, before I haul the boat anywhere.

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I also made three "mini" trays from the extra pipe, to hold the furler in place along the mast. The pipe is sold in 2-foot and 10-foot lengths at Lowe's and Home Depot, and 7 feet is about the right length for the long tray. I used the 3-foot excess to make these, and a 2-foot length of 3" pipe was perfect for the "clamps" to clip the long tray and these "mini" trays onto the mast.

It's a weekend's work to make this furler support, but it will save you the cost of a new forestay and hank-on jibs. The tray also secures the furler so well that you don't have to worry about it at all, hauling your boat cross-country. It might add two minutes to raising or lowering the mast, compared with a bare forestay. I'll be glad to PM you with more details on how I made the tray, if you'd like.

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Rick
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Re: Already lost half my summer

Post by Hardcrab »

Some folks use another option to stop the dreaded furler droop by removing either of the bolts at the mast hound and slide the stay/furler up (back) and bungee it to the mast itself for the entire lenght.
By either of the bolts, I mean the bolt that holds the stays, or the mast hound bolt itself.

It's sorta six of one, half dozen of the other, but no extra pieces, acting as splints, are needed to keep the furler straight for long term stowage.

Either way, do not let the CDI furler stay in any position other than straight for any lenght of time.
It will "set" to any bends and is very hard to get straight again.
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Re: Already lost half my summer

Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

Or you can go even simpler with a piece of wood and some bungees.
Raising the mast with a furler is really no more difficult than one without, and once it is up your sail is on and ready to go, no sail storage issues.

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I'm for option #3. We decided years ago that having the boat in the water and leaving from the same place every time would quickly become boring. Use the trailer to get to new places at 60 mph and see something new every trip. For us, boating is about the trip, no matter if we sail or motor. For others it is about sailing and it doesn't matter if you are seeing the same place every time. You have to decide what type of boater you are.
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I have a system like Duane's. I find it very difficult to pin the mast to the step because the weight of the socked jib/furler wants to twist the mast to one side or the other. I have to have someone grab the spreaders and level the pin holes. If I was stronger I might be able to twist the mast back and forth easily with one hand. I have to go ahead and do this but for me it's a ball buster. The shrouds and baby stays are all played out by the time I get the mast back enough to pin it. If one is kinked, it won't come back far enough. Anyway, I spend an inordinate amount of time on this when solo.
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Re: Already lost half my summer

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Leave it in the water and skip the wedding trip, unless the wedding is your own. Who really wants to go to a wedding when you could be on the water.



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Re: Already lost half my summer

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Thanks for all the input .I do have the set up for the furler drum support already but finds it adds alot of time to the set up and break down. I previously had a venture 25 without a furler and I could set it up myself in about 35 minutes myself without a mast raising system and pack the boat away in less. Now with the 26m it takes me about 1.5 hrs to rig and just as long to take down and pack up. I have also bent spreaders ez stays and what not rigging so I take eveything off which adds time but prevents damage. I don't mind doing this once a year but I'm a bit lazy and wont do it unless its for a long stay. I think with a regular forestay I could get the rigging down to a respectable time and effort. I wish I could skip the wedding trip but its a friend of my wifes' wedding and skipping that would only cost me more in the long run :P .
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Post by March »

It doesn't seem that the biggest hurdle time-wise is the forestay vs. the rolling furler. Granted, the mast is more cumbersome with the furler on, even if you bungee it against the mast until the mast is in place for full liftup. Likeise, the spreaders are not easy to maneuvre under the life-lines if the furler is in the way. Replace it with a regular forestay and you will shave off 15 minutes, at most. That's a pretty conservative guess, I guess
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Kaceys ' Charm wrote:Thanks for all the input .I do have the set up for the furler drum support already but finds it adds alot of time to the set up and break down. I previously had a venture 25 without a furler and I could set it up myself in about 35 minutes myself without a mast raising system and pack the boat away in less. Now with the 26m it takes me about 1.5 hrs to rig and just as long to take down and pack up. I have also bent spreaders ez stays and what not rigging so I take eveything off which adds time but prevents damage. I don't mind doing this once a year but I'm a bit lazy and wont do it unless its for a long stay. I think with a regular forestay I could get the rigging down to a respectable time and effort. I wish I could skip the wedding trip but its a friend of my wifes' wedding and skipping that would only cost me more in the long run :P .
Whether the limits of age, strength, or agility, 1.5 hours for setup is long. I find it easier when manuevering the mast to get the spreaders above / below the lifelines, to lift the mast at the spreaders amidships rather than lifting the mast at it's base at the bow. Another cosideration for not having to remove the spreaders is to make the lifelines quick-release so they can slack and not be in the way of the spreaders.
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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

You just have to change your "take everything off" mentality if you are going to join the ranks of the true trailer sailor who raises and lowers every time they go out.

My mentality is leave absolutely everything possible in place. When I lower my mast the fewest lines possible are slacked to allow the mast to be rolled to the pulpit. Once secure there nothing else is removed. The mast raising lines stay in place bungee'd up to the mast. The pole stays right where it finishes. Sheets, spreaders, halyards, nothing is undone or removed, all are simply secured in place for the road. You can save all the spreader lifeline hassles with a simple set of keypin shackles that allow the lifelines to be slacked so the mast can set right over them.

The goal is to optimize the process so the next time you show up at the ramp you have as little setup as possible. When I pull into the parking lot I release about 12 of my special BWY bungee's, roll the mast back to the mast step, and crank away on the raising tackle. I have to attach nothing to do this, it's all in place, adjusted to the right length and ready to go because I left it all there the last time I lowered the mast.

Keep the furler bungee'd to the mast with at least one bungee at a height you can reach and you will not have any issues with the mast twisting or being pulled to the side when rolling it back and inserting the bolt or when raising it.

Likewise limit the amount of things that have to be stored or removed from the boat as part of the setup and teardown process. There are only 4 things I remove when setting up. The tiedown strap, the furler wood support, and the two quick pins that lock the rudders in the up position. These are removed and put in the truck before I even climb on board to start the setup process.

Likewise I never remove my baby stays or my mast raising pole. Once the mast is up the pole simply folds up against the front of the mast and is secured there with a bungee while out on the water (Note the X raising system is more conducive to this than the M raising system). That way when it comes time to lower it everything is in place. It also is handy to have this in place if while out you need to lower the mast for maintenance or a low bridge.

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I usually have two people doing the setup, myself and my wife or one of my sons. I have a setup and a teardown checklist that lists all the steps to be done in order and assigns various ones in tandem to each of the people doing the setup. That way there is no waiting to do your task because the other person hasn't done there's.

Build a custom one of these for your boat and use it each time.

Here is mine, http://www.ddunn.org/BoatProcedures.pdf .

Likewise there is a page for each step in the tear down process. Two copies of each are on board in plastic sleeves for easy reference. We used to use them a lot, but now we know the routine and each just work in tandem to get the boat quickly in and out of the water.
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