New Project Underway... "Martini Time"

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irishguy
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New Project Underway... "Martini Time"

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Here's a picture of the maiden road voyage of our sailboat "Martini Time." We had to do quite a bit of planning and adjusting of the trailer since we were pretty inexperienced at this sort of thing. Thank goodness for careful planning and a detailed checklist… We had everything we needed for the operation. After several trial fits and lots of adjusting to the used trailer - That may or may not have been designed for the boat... She fit like a glove with just enough tongue weight to pull her safely home.

Once we got her behind the SUV it really made the truck look small and we were worried we weren't going to make it all the way home. Those two tires looked pretty heavily loaded Apparently our angel was with us yesterday though… and we made it all the way to Trussville from Lake Guntersville without a hitch. No pun intended... :D

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We've got a lot of work to do, but at least now I can work on her in the afternoons and I have all my tools handy and my workshop/garage only a few feet away. Our goal is to get her rewired, the hull cleaned up [Possibly painted too…] and the boat re-outfitted with new ropes and whatever fittings are needed and back in the water before July. I have already compiled a fairly detailed, comprehensive Project Management Outline. I have lots of reading to do on boat wiring, hull refinishing, sailboat rigging, etc… I still have to design and build some type of supports to temporarily get a 2100 pound boat up off the trailer and safely suspended in the air for hull sanding and painting. I also need to design some kind of rolling cradle in which to lower a 600 pound cast iron keel down onto in order to clean it of mussels and refinish it. So there will be some unique engineering problem solving on this project as well…

I will be doing lots of searching and reading on this forum, because we are new to sailboat ownership and sailing too. Any pointers to topics such as:

How to clean the bottom?
What to coat the bottom with?
How to do simple 12 volt sailboat wiring?
How to rig up all the hardware and what type of ropes to use?

... Would be much appreciated. Like I said I plan to search and read about all those topics, but any links or pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for any help, and wish us luck.
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This is a good BB for information. But are you familiar with www.trailersailors.com and www.macgregorowners.com ?
Those other boards have a lot more subscribers with older Mac's. I have a 91', and I frequent all the boards. You'll find more owners with boats just like yours who can help on those other boards.

Keep us posted with your progress, and post lot's of pic'S :D
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Doug91mac26s wrote:This is a good BB for information. But are you familiar with http://www.trailersailors.com and http://www.macgregorowners.com ?
Those other boards have a lot more subscribers with older Mac's. I have a 91', and I frequent all the boards. You'll find more owners with boats just like yours who can help on those other boards.

Keep us posted with your progress, and post lot's of pic'S :D
Thanks for the reply and the heads up... I have checked out those forums and may post on there as well, and I will surely search on those for information as well as here.

By the way the boat is a 1974 Venture 25. She is in pretty good shape... Here is a link to my original post when we first bought the boat last June...

http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... 04#p156704

I have done quite a few things to her including building a new rudder out of repurposed cypress and building 2 new bulkheads out of the same cypress to re-enclose the head area. The problem is where she is berthed at the lake is over an hour away and it was kind of a pin to get up there often enough to get any real work accomplished. Now with her in the driveway, I can work on her every afternoon after work for a couple of hours. As an added bonus... the garage beer fridge is only a few feet away... :D
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Oh yeah... Something else I have already done is to rebuild the carbs on the old 1980's Honda 100. Now she purrs like kitten. Good old honda motors! I would have never believed that many spiders could call home to an outboard motor. I was finding spiders in that thing for days and days. Apparently WD-40 has no ill efects on spiders.
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WD-40 doesn't, but brake cleaner does ! :D

I think it sounds like a fun project, and it looks like it'll be a fun boat on the water too.
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I've found that very little affects spiders. I've sprayed them with Wasp killer, and they react no worse than as if I had merely sprayed them with tap water. Miserable little boat-infesting creatures. Brake clean, JoeVacs? Hmm....good idea...no residue to clean up afterwards! :D

I wouldn't recommend doing too much towing with that trailer until you get the axle moved aft a ways. It looks way too far forward in the picture.

When you drop the keel, carefully examine the pivot bolt hole for wear and damage. Cast iron is a fairly soft metal, and the pivot hole on these keels often "wallers" out (becomes oblong in shape, rather than perfectly round). Such a condition is dangerous to the keel, and should be repaired before putting the keel back in the boat. There are posts here on the board about fixing "wallered" pivot holes, so all the information you need should be here. Just whatever you do, don't let it go the way it is (if the hole is oblonged). When it wears beyond a certain point, and the weight of the keel finally overpowers the amound of cast iron left around the pivot bolt, PLUNK...your keel becomes one with the bottom of the lake. And MacGregor, despite a growing demand, does not manufacture replacement keels for their old keel boats.

As far as bottom coating goes, use real marine bottom paint. The West Marine brand is supposedly the same thing as the Interlux brand, and it's cheaper than the name brands are. You especially want to use real bottom paint (as opposed to something cheaper like a conventional outdoor paint) if you will be keeping the boat in a slip for the season (in the water all season long) and/or if there are cracks in your gel coat on the bottom of the hull (which is likely at your boat's age). Bottom paint contains metals like copper and other ingredients that resist adhesion of muscles, barnacles, algae, and other growths; and it's far more durable as a finish than a generic outdoor paint.

And speaking of paint, if your hull is in good shape, and the gel coat is merely faded, I would recommend just polishing the existing finish rather than painting over it. Once you start painting it, you'll never stop. Paint inevitably cracks and peels when applied over gel coat, whether it lasts one season or a few years. 3M makes a range of products that are great for polishing up oxidized gel coat hull finishes.

Good luck with the boat!
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ChockFullOnuts22 wrote: 3M makes a range of products that are great for polishing up oxidized gel coat hull finishes.

Good luck with the boat!
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3m marine combination compound and wax for heavily oxidized and scratched gel coat is superb at 19$ a bottle will do an entire 26 foot boat!
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That is a beautiful shine, Q1! Want to do my boat next? :wink: :D

Did you use that Meguire's with the 3M product?
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ChockFullOnuts22 wrote: When you drop the keel, carefully examine the pivot bolt hole for wear and damage. Cast iron is a fairly soft metal, and the pivot hole on these keels often "wallers" out (becomes oblong in shape, rather than perfectly round). Such a condition is dangerous to the keel, and should be repaired before putting the keel back in the boat. There are posts here on the board about fixing "wallered" pivot holes, so all the information you need should be here.
Not meaning to be nit-picky or anything, but cast iron is extremely hard and brittle. But the center of the keel is made of steel which is softer and does waller out.

I put a bronze sleeve in mine

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25826781@N ... 736968896/
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ChockFullOnuts22 wrote:I wouldn't recommend doing too much towing with that trailer until you get the axle moved aft a ways. It looks way too far forward in the picture.

Good luck with the boat!
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Hamin' X wrote: Are you sure you're not looking at his spare?

~Rich
You, looking at it now, that's exactly what I did. Haha, I think maybe it's time to see about some glasses... :o
JoeVacs wrote:
Not meaning to be nit-picky or anything, but cast iron is extremely hard and brittle. But the center of the keel is made of steel which is softer and does waller out.

I put a bronze sleeve in mine

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25826781@N ... 736968896/
I've had it explained to me differently, but perhaps "softer" was the wrong word to use here. Weaker would have been more accurate, according to what I have been told in the past. I've been told that steel has a higher tensile strength than cast iron, and can therefore take more stress before it breaks. What you say about cast iron being "hard" and "brittle" makes sense in that light, though.

The cast iron keels have steel centers? I thought they were one-piece casted...
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When you drop the keel, carefully examine the pivot bolt hole for wear and damage. Cast iron is a fairly soft metal, and the pivot hole on these keels often "wallers" out (becomes oblong in shape, rather than perfectly round). Such a condition is dangerous to the keel, and should be repaired before putting the keel back in the boat. There are posts here on the board about fixing "wallered" pivot holes, so all the information you need should be here. Just whatever you do, don't let it go the way it is (if the hole is oblonged). When it wears beyond a certain point, and the weight of the keel finally overpowers the amound of cast iron left around the pivot bolt, PLUNK...your keel becomes one with the bottom of the lake. And MacGregor, despite a growing demand, does not manufacture replacement keels for their old keel boats.

As far as bottom coating goes, use real marine bottom paint. The West Marine brand is supposedly the same thing as the Interlux brand, and it's cheaper than the name brands are. You especially want to use real bottom paint (as opposed to something cheaper like a conventional outdoor paint) if you will be keeping the boat in a slip for the season (in the water all season long) and/or if there are cracks in your gel coat on the bottom of the hull (which is likely at your boat's age). Bottom paint contains metals like copper and other ingredients that resist adhesion of muscles, barnacles, algae, and other growths; and it's far more durable as a finish than a generic outdoor paint.

And speaking of paint, if your hull is in good shape, and the gel coat is merely faded, I would recommend just polishing the existing finish rather than painting over it. Once you start painting it, you'll never stop. Paint inevitably cracks and peels when applied over gel coat, whether it lasts one season or a few years. 3M makes a range of products that are great for polishing up oxidized gel coat hull finishes.

Good luck with the boat!
Thanks for all of the replies so far...

As far as the bottom goes... My plan is this:

1. Clean really good with pressure washer.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a cleaning agent for the bottom that was below the water line?
2. Compound and polish and wax everything above the water line.
3. Paint below the water line with the West Marine brand bottom paint.

As far as the keel goes I plan to:

1. Remove it and install a bushing for the pivot bolt.
2. I will probably buy a cheap sand blaster from harbor Freight and sand blast it.
3. Paint it with something... I wonder if I can just use the same bottom paint as I am going to use on the hull below the water line. Can I use that?
4. Of course I will check the bolts and winch and cable while I have it out and replace as needed.

I need to replace most of the rope on the boat, but I am confused at the large selection in the West Marine catalog. Can someone recommend an inexpensive rope for the sails and rigging? What size? 5/16"? 3/8"?

Can someone point me to a simple wiring diagram. I found the charging line that I can run from the 10 horsepower Honda to the battery to charge it. I have a 12 volt deep cycle battery. I want to have a couple of interior lights, a bow light, a stern light, a light up on the mast, a stereo, a bilge pump, and possibly an outlet or two. I know i am going to have to go shopping for a panel with some switches and fuses, and I may want to invest in a second battery and a solar panel. We plan to "camp" in the boat and cruise and just explore lake Guntersville on the Tennessee river. So some decent off shore power would be nice.
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ChockFullOnuts22 wrote:That is a beautiful shine, Q1! Want to do my boat next? :wink: :D

Did you use that Meguire's with the 3M product?
Yes I did for the blue and black for an extra layer of wax . I might put another layer of wax before putting her in. I find that the more wax I put on the less scratch and scuff maintenance I have to do at the end of the season.
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Slow blue hulls need lots of wax, to make the surface as slick as possible, to keep up with the white hulls. :wink:

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Hamin' X wrote:Slow blue hulls need lots of wax, to make the surface as slick as possible, to keep up with the white hulls. :wink:

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