Mac 19...hmmmm...

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Mac 19...hmmmm...

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Can someone tell me what the Mac 19 is? I have seen two listed in different sailboat sales boat sale websites :P and they look like Baby :macm: 's...
One of them called it a "rare" boat.
If I had to guess, I'd say it was a 3/4 scale 26M made for prototyping or a special production run or something... (26ft * .75 = 19-ish ft) because from looking at it, it appears to be a perfectly-scaled-down version of the 26M...picture next to picture, you can't tell which is which unless you have something to judge scale by...so is it a "real" Mac boat?

Does anyone here have one? Room inside? Worth the price? (Saw them in the $10k+ range...)
Just curious...interested...hmmmm
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Re: Mac 19...hmmmm...

Post by Gater Dunn »

I looked in one a few months ago they are just like a 26x but smaller. it had a sink, cooler, stove no enclosed head, sleeps 4 ? only kids could stand up in it,zero head room.the owner loved it but was looking for a larger 30 + sail boat.
I belive it is the prototype of the 26 x
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they only made about 1000. of them then stopped production because they were to costly to make compared to the production of an X for some 700$ more & sold for twice as much so I've been informed
I have one sailed it for 4 1/2 yrs then bought a 26M their a great little boat for day sailing & wk ending but then I got the chance of a slip was on a waiting list for about 2 1/2yrs then moved up & they do have an enclosed head , here's a link to the :mac19: sales flyer
http://www.dougpile.com/mac19/sales.html
here's some vids of my boat
Enjoy J
http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... EW_NEW.mp4

http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... 010019.mp4

http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... 010025.mp4

As you can see my :mac19: is just as highly customized as my present :macm: boat
http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... 010071.mp4
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I also had a :mac19: for 3 years and can strongly recommend them. Points to note

1. There IS an enclosed Head, also a sink and a cooker

2. Tiller steering - interesting when powering at speed :P

3. Accomodation is of course smaller than the :macm: but remains extremely usable; my :mac19: had a full cockpit enclosure which provided further usable living space above decks

4. Rigging can be very simplified - my boat, the first to be sold in the UK - had no spreaders and a very simple dingy rig

5. Can be difficult going forward - seriously consider lines aft and a furling jib/jenny

6. Ballast tank valve is nect to the companionway steps - there is a very cool mod somewhere on this website which installs a riser pipe and a shutoff tap, which I strongly recommend.

7. F4 is about it; you really don't want to get too heroic in one of these, but they certainly are fun

hope this helps
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Post by Rick Westlake »

Sailors who aren't familiar with the :mac19: got the picture easily when I described my Beija-Flor as "an obese Flying Scot with indoor plumbing." But I enjoyed the boat very much for the two years I owned it. I was looking for a West Wight Potter when I found Beija-Flor at a small-boat sales outfit in my area - it's about the same size, though it's very much more "powerboat" style than the Potter.

I believe the Mac 19 was the prototype for the 26X/26M motorsailers. It was built with a hard-chine "powerboat" hull, and of course those water ballast tanks and a lightweight centerboard (with a truly awkward cable run for the centerboard pendant). The hull was rated to take a 40-hp engine, and of course it would get up on plane with that much power. (I used a 9.9-hp Tohatsu on Beija-Flor, which pushed it along at hull speed - but I didn't buy the boat to be a powerboat!)

The Mac 19 has sit-up headroom belowdecks. It does have "accommodations for 4" if you're used to a backpacking tent, a tiny cubbyhole for a Porta-Potty that was barely big enough for me to haul up my pants, and an itty-bitty sink that I never even tried to use. I did sleep over on the boat a dozen times or more, at the dock of a marina that was five minutes' drive from my office, and it was comfy though challenging to get dressed in the morning.

Magnetic, where did you put a cooker on your Mac 19? I didn't feel there was a place that I was comfortable with putting even an omelet stove. This was one reason I moved up to my present 26X; the other was that I wanted at least a little bit of stand-up headroom.

Tiller steering, yes - and sometimes I miss that, although it could be damned awkward because there was no tiller-engine interconnect. I used to pull up the rudders and use only the engine to dock the boat. I ran into trouble only once, when a "know-best" crewman pushed the rudders one way while I was pushing the motor the other way - and we did a minor "crunch" on a boat in a neighboring slip! Luckily, we only damaged the other guy's anchor....

The Mac 19 gave way to the Mac 26X in about 1996, I think. Roger proved his point very well with it - that people would buy, sail, and love a "crossover" motorsailer. But I believe he was right to change production to the 26X - not so much more boat that it beomes difficult to tow, set-up, and launch; but enough more boat that you feel you're "living aboard" rather than "backpacking aboard."
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I had one until I replaced it with a Max 26X :macx: five years ago. The :mac19: was the easiest boat to set up and sai; we just wanted more room to overnight on weekends. A great trailer sailor.

The did have funky small square rudders that used a plastic bolt to shear-off if you hit something below the water. Using the rudders in conjunction with the motor would permit the boat to turn into a slip much , much, MUCH better than the :macx: can do.

I sold mine for $5,000 five years ago. The buyer turned out to be a dealer from British Columbia who told me that demand was extremely high for the :mac19: in that area and that he would more than double my selling price when he resold in the next two weeks in Canada.
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Vizwhiz,

I bought a 19 earlier this year, fitted it with a new mercury 30hp. I still don't know how to sail it. I've never been sailing before. I thought at the time it was something that I would grow into. unfortunatly it sits in my driveway. I just don't have the time to learn/and or go boating or sailing. I have put on 10 hours (the proper manufactures break in period) on the motor. [email protected]
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Rick Westlake wrote:The Mac 19 gave way to the Mac 26X in about 1996, I think. Roger proved his point very well with it - that people would buy, sail, and love a "crossover" motorsailer.
So it sounds like it was the initial Macgregor "trial" version of a power-sailer...to see if it would catch on? Other than the small size, any other drawbacks or odd performance characteristics?
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I doubt it was a trial. You cant afford to build plugs/molds for any boat as a trial.

My guess is the 19 was a light trailerable target, and the 26 came about as an effort to expand that market - successfully of course.
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I purchased our '93 Mac 19 in '96 and the admiral and I still love it today. It's the perfect size for the lakes we visit, I think the 26 would be a little to big at some of the ramps. Easier to tow, set up for sailing, launch, retrieve. It has a better power to weight ratio with the standard 40 hp for water skiing and tubing, all in all just a better boat :wink: . I think the 26er's are jealous :) . Some like John ( Highlander ) and Rick Westlake who loved their 19's but must have drank the Kool-aid have since downgraded to a 26 :D :) . One last thing before I leave...... Mac 19's FOREVER :mac19: :D :D :) :wink:
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Of course you are happy with it... a Mac 19 is just a Mac 26, Canadian....
:P :P :P
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:D :D :D Good one, but I think today it would be a 22 :) :wink: . Mac 19's FOREVER :mac19: sorry I think I said that already :? :? :wink:
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:D :D :D


I think you are right....but Ill warn you I have a huge array of Canadian jokes, having grown up only 3 miles from the border...
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Y'all are nuts... Okay, so I chatted just briefly with wifey about the idea of the 19, just to test the water a little.... :(
She said it was barely bigger than our canoe. :? :o I quickly pointed out that our canoe is only 13-1/2 feet long (we have a small two-man canoe for several reasons, none of which are important right now) and that the 19 is significantly larger, but...that didn't seem to matter. Sigh...

Well, the good news is, we aren't buying anything right this minute, so it doesn't really change anything. :) We will probably take the time to look at several boats before we actually purchase, and I'll be sure to look at the 19, although right now I'm still leaning toward the 26S as our "starter boat".

Okay, having read some of your comments about the limited size of the interior of the 19 - and we're tent-campers, so close-quarters is not really the biggest concern to us - wifey is little, but I'm a six-footer. I'm not too big, but tall... Is it like "don't bother" small in the 19, or is it going to be similar in height to the interior of the 26S (should we puchase one of those)?

Also, is the 19 a water-ballast? Swing keel or daggerboard?
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Re: Mac 19...hmmmm...

Post by Highlander »

The :mac19: is water ballast & swing center board if you had read the sales info I sent you earlier on this post you'd not be asking these questions !!!! :D :P
But if you plan on having company on board the 26 X or M is the only way to go " standing room for all " the 26S or D are fine for a couple or young family but then your into raising the pop top for that extra room when necc. the X or M is like having "The Megga Yacht" being able to step into that big space without the megga bucks !!! :o :D :D :D

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Is righteabout one thing everyone wants to entertain on the bigger boats so you'll never have the mess to clean up & can leave to have your night cap at any time & head off to La La Land !! :D :D :D 8) :P
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