We are still using the stock jib with the 01 and I was wondering if there were any neat tricks to do to help stow the jib prior to getting underway and then hoist the jib that is still using the hanks when ready to set sails. We are thinking about purchasing furler, but still looking at prices. For right now, we are looking for a way to stow the jib down while hanks are connected to fore-stay and sheets in the winch and cleats. That way we only need to hoist the jib halyard and don't have to mess with the sail bag or have the jib flopping all over the deck prior to hoisting and running the sheets. My first thought is to use bungee cords and have them secured to the bow pulpit, somehow securing the jib down for a short period of time while motoring to a place to set sails.
Anyone have any good ideas how to temporarily secure the jib this way?
Using bungee cords and hooking it into the bow pulpit is how I did it before moving up to the furler and genoa rig. Someone still has to go forward and unhook the bungees while some else raises the sail.
Good Luck
Mental Floss
Anyway, you can stuff the Jib in it while it's hanked on the forestay, then zip it up for storage. When dousing the jib I'll stuff it in the bag while lowering the sail but not worry about zipping it up until I'm anchored/docked. I'm really happy with it. I keep the jib stored in it down below too, much easier to deal with than the stock bag.
When you put away the jib next time, at the dock:
1. Leave the jib hanked on to the forestay, with the hanks stacked up on top of each other.
2. Pull both jib sheet over to the same side. Pull the clew of the sail aft so the foot of the sail is flat and unwrinkled. Loosely secure the jib sheet somehow. Now the sail is secured on the deck.
3. Flake the sail. (Fold it like an accordian)
4. Hold onto the clew (bottom corner at the back) and gather up the jibsheets, ready to roll up the jib
5. Starting at the clew (back corner of the jib), roll the jib up towards the forestay.
6. ***When you get to the forestay, leave the head of the jib exposed.
7. Use a sail tie to tie up the now-rolled jib.
8. Detach the jib halyard and secure it temporarily on the bow pulpit
7. Coil up the jib sheets neatly and tuck them into the roll.
8. Unhook the hanks, leaving them stacked on top of each other
9. Put the jib in the sail bag.
When you want to go sailing:
1. Put the rolled up jib on the deck next to the bow pulpit legs. For the moment, leave it rolled up and tied with the sail ties.
2. attach all the piston hanks, making sure thay all face the correct direction ; make sure they aren't twisted. If you sail was made properly, they were all attached facing either port or starboard, remember which direction for the next time. They will always attach that way in the future.
3. Attach the jib halyard to the head of the jib
3. take the jib sheets out of the roll and run them aft through the jib fairleads. Put a stop knot in the end of the jib sheet so it stays put.
Now.... here's the slick part....
4. On port side, pull the extra length of jibsheet forward, and use it to secure the rolled jib to the leg of the bow pulpit on the port side. Loop the jibsheet around the rolled up jib, and tie it with a slip knot to the pulpit leg. Repeat on the starboard side, using the starboard jibsheet.
4.b. Remove the sail ties. Your jib will stay secure on the deck, tied to the legs of the bow pulpit.
5. leave the marina.... motor out, or sail under mainsail ....
6. When you are ready to hoist the jib, yank on the port and starboard jib sheets to undo the slip knots. Stay in the cockpit. There should be no need to go onto the foredeck
7. Hoist the jib halyard.
To douse the jib.
1. Head to wind.
2. Drop the jib by undoing the jib halyard. (If you have installed a jib downhaul line, use it to pull the head of the jib down and hold it on the deck)
3. Pull one jibsheet tight, to secure the jib to the deck on one side.
4. Put the other jibsheet on the same side (you'll need to untie the stopper knot so you can get it out of the fairlead)
5. Untie the stopper knot in the other jibsheet
6. Take a sailtie and tie the middle of the jib so it can't billow OR
6a. Roll the jib loosely towards the bow and tie it with sailties to the base of the bow pulpit. This clears the side deck so you walk on the side deck to safely dock the boat. This is the preferred way to do it. That makes it safer for you and your passengers to walk around on the deck without tripping or slipping.
Go home.... if you have a slip, here's how to get off the boat at the dock:
7. Step outside the lifelines, and stand on the side deck, near the shrouds, facing inward and holding onto the shrouds for balance. Don't stand at the bow -- you would have to jump across a gap between the boat and the dock. If you stand at the shrouds, yYou won't have to jump across a gap. The widest part off the boat is at the shrouds, and it'll be right next to the dock if you steer correctly when docking. if possible, always dock so the boat is upwind of the dock, with the wind blowing the boat towards the dock. Step off from near the shrouds onto to deck.
8. after tying up at the dock, unroll the hastily rolled jib, flake it neatly (please don't wrinkle it up and jam it in a bag!) and put it away as described at the top of this post.
PS. I'm not good at proof-reading my own posts, so please forgive me if there's any confusing parts or obvious mistakes. Please help me out by sending me an email so I can clarify or fix the mistake.
Fair winds,
Judy B
Last edited by Judy B on Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:17 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Awsome reply, making some very good points. Next outing I will try the slip knot. Not sure how this holds the middle of the sail from billowing up? Perhaps the lazy sheet can make a round of the middle and still slip free. I have usually just jammed the sail in the bag and knew there had to be a better way.
Awsome reply, making some very good points. Next outing I will try the slip knot. Not sure how this holds the middle of the sail from billowing up? Perhaps the lazy sheet can make a round of the middle and still slip free. I have usually just jammed the sail in the bag and knew there had to be a better way.
Hi Newell,
I see that i need need to clarify what I wrote.
The jib stays rolled up until you're ready to unroll it. It's rolled up and tied securely to the bow pulpit legs. It can't billow up before you're ready to deploy it.
1.When you prep at the dock before you depart, put the rolled up jib down on the foredeck, inside the bow pulpit.
2.Put all the piston hanks on the forestay.
3.With the jib lying on the foredeck, rightr at the front, betweem the legs of the bow pulpit.... Use the sheets to secure the rolled-up jib to the bow pulpit's front legs, using a slip not.
4. Depart the dock under power or mainsail. Get out where you have a little sea room.
5. When you're ready to hoist, pull the jib sheets out and pull the clew of the jib back loosely so it's lying on the side deck on downwind side. It may billow a bit for the next few secs....
6.Hoist the jib halyard and make it fast.
7.Trim the jib sheet.
Did that explain it better?
Judy B
Last edited by Judy B on Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Yes, this helped very much. Since I'm recovering from a fall, my next sailing will be middle of May and will try this out. I think you are a better sail flaker than I, that's why I went to rolling my main. I don't have much patience it seems. I have still yet to succeed in flaking a jib, tied on-deck, but then there is a first for everything.
Your methods of the entire hanking, hoisting, lowering, flaking and stowing the jib make sense of a process I had written off as 'it's messy, just do it', and never gave it too much thought.
GReat advice Judy, I use hank on jib. Highlander helped me out with a jib downhaul last summer and I use a swivel cam cleat for the halyard. With your slipknot idea I don't have to leave the cockpit at all.
Was finally out on Lake Ontario this for first outing of the season, we've been having some cold weather this month.
I have a downhaul rigged to the jib that runs back to the cockpit. Securing it holds the head of the sail down on deck and the sheets hold the clew of the sail on deck. To raise the sail, I release the sheets and the downhaul and raise the sail. To lower the sail, I release the halyard and use the downhaul to lower the sail (if required) from the cockpit. Securing the four lines holds the sail down. In high winds or for longer periods, I use a couple of bungee cords secured around the bow pulpit to hold the sail (they can be secured or released from the front hatch so I do not need to go on the deck).
No, I don't have any pictures of the downhaul but I can take some when the mast is next up.
The downhaul consists of a light line (either 1/8" or 3/16") that is tied to the jib halyard. This line runs through a small bullet block attached to a Johnson Lever on the base of the forestay (the lever is used to tighten the forestay when the mast is raised). This line also runs through half a dozen 1" SS rings on the forestay that are spaced between the hanks. These keep the line near the forestay when the sail is raised preventing it from blowing around. From the deck level bullet block, the line passes aft through bullet blocks at the rear base of the bow pulpit and on the bottom of the port forward stanchion then back to the cockpit where it passes through a small jam cleat.
The downhaul is permanently fastened. When the mast is lowered there is no need to disconnect the line, it just goes slack. For trailering it just needs to be tightened with the jam cleat after the mast is stowed. Excess line is just slid through the hatch into the cabin. To raise the mast I just need to loose the line and be sure it is free to run and not tangled. When putting on the jib, all I have to do is space a SS ring between every second hank.
I find the system helps lower the jib (from the cockpit), holds the jib when it is down, is easy to use, and easy to rig,
and I was wondering if there were any neat tricks to do to help stow the jib prior to getting underway and then hoist the jib that is still using the hanks when ready to set sails. We are thinking about purchasing furler, but still looking at prices. For right now, we are looking for a way to stow the jib down while hanks are connected to fore-stay and sheets in the winch and cleats. That way we only need to hoist the jib halyard and don't have to mess with the sail bag or have the jib flopping all over the deck prior to hoisting and running the sheets. My first thought is to use bungee cords and have them secured to the bow pulpit, somehow securing the jib down for a short period of time while motoring to a place to set sails.
