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Re: Newbie questions

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In the middle of the country, would you choose the jib option or the 150% genoa? Also, can you furl the genoa as well?
Go with the jib, non-furling. Cheapest, and you can always upgrade later if you want.

You can resell a good jib for 1/2 cost, at least
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Catigale wrote:
In the middle of the country, would you choose the jib option or the 150% genoa? Also, can you furl the genoa as well?
Go with the jib, non-furling. Cheapest, and you can always upgrade later if you want.

You can resell a good jib for 1/2 cost, at least
Is it easy for a person to upgrade on their own? Or add the furling equipment on their own? Or would you have a dealer or sailing mechanic do such an install? Also is the furling equipment for a jib the same as a genoa? i.e., if it's installed for one you can use it for the other?
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You can add it yourself, especially if you get the CDI. Good instructions and support, and 1000s out there and on this Board... :D

The FF2 will fit either the jib or genny.

You can go back and forth ...worst case you might have to buy a swage tool (about 25 USD) to make up a new forestay for the furler if you dont have a marine shop nearby.
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I would go with the furling Genoa. 8)

A non-furling Jib will cost you less up front. A furling Genoa will cost you less in the long run - you won't have to re-spend money. A Genoa can act as a jib OR as a Genoa. Plus, a furling Genoa with lines back to the cockpit us very easy for one person or 1 1/2 people (spouse) to use - I often - especially when by myself - just use the Genoa. :wink:
tonto wrote:In the middle of the country, would you choose the jib option or the 150% genoa? Also, can you furl the genoa as well?
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I gotta disagree with Steph on the jib and furler stuff.

The convenience of a roller furling jib is worth the extra $ in my opinion. Just pull the furler line and the sail rolls right back up. It's one of the most rewarding things to do. Opening the jib/genoa is just as easy. Want a smaller sail, don't pull it all the way out and tie off the furler line. I had a hank on jib on my first boat. Still remember clinging to the bow pulpit as the boat crashed through a wave soaking me. Na, keep me off the foredeck please by having a RF head sail.

I don't know about resale, but it cost me $250 plus shipping to simply have a sunbrella sail cover sewn into my jib. The deluxe 150 Genoa cost me under $800 new. I would strongly think the head sail thoroughly and do it right from the start. Now my RF jib is in a bag. Wanna buy it? Can't comment on how hard it is to add the furler afterwards, I'm just glad I bought it at the start. Changing head sails for me requires dropping the mast.

To be honest, if you are new to sailing, a smaller head sail probably makes more sense. It has less power and is easier to manage. However, I got tired of not moving at all in light winds so I bought a 150 genny this year from Judy B(see ad above).

Porta Potty:
We started with a small 2.5 gal and upgraded to the 5 for longer times between dumps (no pun intended).
So the porta potty solution requires a brave person to take the sealed tank off the boat and pour it into a toilet someplace. There are some open pit toilets that we sometimes dump ours into or wait until we get home. But you have options to dump it in a standard toilet (if allowed by the owner of said toilet).
The PP has fresh water to flush with and if you use good chems, it has almost no odor at all.

The next option is a MSD porta potty that is more versatile. Search this forum as potties are a common topic.
http://www.amazon.com/Sealand-MSD-Sanip ... B002MYQN2G
This one allows for "hard plumbing" it to a deck fitting for pump out. Our marina charges $5 bucks and I'm cheap, so I won't do this option. But it's there if you want it. I believe these potties can be dumped or pumped (someone may correct me). I've also heard that some places in Canada prohibit porta potties.

Lastly, a full holding tank and marine head. This requires more storage consumption for the tank (a premium) and a pump out when it's full. Some have been stuck when marinas closed and they had to trailer their boat home with full waste. It has more capacity and for some people this option works.

After 4 years, the porta potty solution works for us. Just remember, despite the photos, the head on a Mac requires either a small person or a contortionist. We removed the door and added a curtain.

--Russ
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...and if you buy Russ' jib used your outlay is even less and you can upgrade later.... :wink:
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Words of gold. I am always impressed at how great minds think alike - I also have a Jib that gets zip use. 8)

I have the 5 gallon self-contained porta potty also...but we use the "double doodie" waste bags - which makes the process easier - much like policing up our dogs poop in his yard. Much less of a hassle.

http://www.relianceproducts.com/product ... n/191.html
RussMT wrote:I gotta disagree with Steph on the jib and furler stuff.

The convenience of a roller furling jib is worth the extra $ in my opinion. Just pull the furler line and the sail rolls right back up. It's one of the most rewarding things to do. Opening the jib/genoa is just as easy. Want a smaller sail, don't pull it all the way out and tie off the furler line. I had a hank on jib on my first boat. Still remember clinging to the bow pulpit as the boat crashed through a wave soaking me. Na, keep me off the foredeck please by having a RF head sail.

I don't know about resale, but it cost me $250 plus shipping to simply have a sunbrella sail cover sewn into my jib. The deluxe 150 Genoa cost me under $800 new. I would strongly think the head sail thoroughly and do it right from the start. Now my RF jib is in a bag. Wanna buy it? Can't comment on how hard it is to add the furler afterwards, I'm just glad I bought it at the start. Changing head sails for me requires dropping the mast.

To be honest, if you are new to sailing, a smaller head sail probably makes more sense. It has less power and is easier to manage. However, I got tired of not moving at all in light winds so I bought a 150 genny this year from Judy B(see ad above).

Porta Potty:
We started with a small 2.5 gal and upgraded to the 5 for longer times between dumps (no pun intended).
So the porta potty solution requires a brave person to take the sealed tank off the boat and pour it into a toilet someplace. There are some open pit toilets that we sometimes dump ours into or wait until we get home. But you have options to dump it in a standard toilet (if allowed by the owner of said toilet).
The PP has fresh water to flush with and if you use good chems, it has almost no odor at all.

The next option is a MSD porta potty that is more versatile. Search this forum as potties are a common topic.
http://www.amazon.com/Sealand-MSD-Sanip ... B002MYQN2G
This one allows for "hard plumbing" it to a deck fitting for pump out. Our marina charges $5 bucks and I'm cheap, so I won't do this option. But it's there if you want it. I believe these potties can be dumped or pumped (someone may correct me). I've also heard that some places in Canada prohibit porta potties.

Lastly, a full holding tank and marine head. This requires more storage consumption for the tank (a premium) and a pump out when it's full. Some have been stuck when marinas closed and they had to trailer their boat home with full waste. It has more capacity and for some people this option works.

After 4 years, the porta potty solution works for us. Just remember, despite the photos, the head on a Mac requires either a small person or a contortionist. We removed the door and added a curtain.

--Russ
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Try to find out what the average winds are for the lakes you'll be sailing for the season and times you'll be there. If they're generally below 12 knots, get a roller furling genoa. If they're higher than 12 knots, get a hank-on jib.
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but some days when it's white-capping (roughly 20-25mph typically)
OP is in Kansas...ergo jib recommendation ...... :D
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20-25mph on Lake Michigan can means 6-8 foot waves and a small craft advisory - no one goes out if they can help it. :o
Catigale wrote:
but some days when it's white-capping (roughly 20-25mph typically)
OP is in Kansas...ergo jib recommendation ...... :D
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dlandersson wrote:20-25mph on Lake Michigan can means 6-8 foot waves and a small craft advisory - no one goes out if they can help it. :o
Great lakes should be considered offshore boating.
20-25mph winds on our little lake looks pretty ugly too. 200' deep lake 30 miles long whips up some big swells. I stay in port.

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