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Re: First Post New to Me Newport in Michigan

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mcbirdman wrote:Ok probably ten now so now I have to figure out how to share some photos with you.
If you don't have a pic hosting site, like photobucket, use http://www.tinypic.com and upload photos to it one at a time. It gives you ubb formated link (second one down of four, I think) which you just copy and paste directly into a post. That's what I do, as I've never bothered to create a photobucket account, and I don't like making accounts if I don't have to anyway.

Hit 'quote' in someone's post, like mine above, to see what a ubb formatted picture post looks like.

Oh, and you should probably start a thread in the off-topic area for aviation stuff. The mods aren't super strict, but it's kind of against the rules to stray too far, and kind of rude too, but that's what the off-topic area is for, and I for one would sure like to see what you've got going on in that department. 8)

But do post some pics of your new boat here. And welcome. :)

Edit: It's called the Front Room, though I've never been in it. :|
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Re: First Post New to Me Newport in Michigan

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tkanzler wrote:Image

Edit: Looks like a baby Pitcairn. :D
I'm old enough that I've actually seen the Harold Pitcarin flying his autogyro. His plant was in nearby Willow Grove, PA.
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Thanks, I been looking around this site to see how to upload. The other site just lets me attatch photos which makes it very easy. I understand what you mean about mixed subjects. I wanted to post some photos of my boat so I could figure out who makes this part I am wondering about. Also I am just trying to introduce myself a little with background and to meet up with some new people with similiar interests.These are photos of my single place and the Two place I am building
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I guess for now it will be easier for you to visit a long running thread on the rotary forum of my builds. There is a portion of one of the threads that have my home built boat photos posted and they Single place LW and the 2 place build. I am also mcbirdman on that site. I'll just give you some links. You'll have to scroll down a bit. It is a record of where we started and where we are now, good and bad. I can't remember but I think the single place build thread has sailboats within it. If I can find I will add it in another post.

My single place with Rons White LW: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=995
Single place beauty photos: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2262
Single place build and trials thread: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showth ... 948&page=3
Two place build- I started with 2 other people and we built 3 frames. I am only one finishing up http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showth ... 753&page=4

more of two place current: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showth ... 753&page=5

maybe this will post ok.....
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Re: First Post New to Me Newport in Michigan

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Okay here is the location of the sailing story on the gyro forum. It shows the boats we built. Scroll down to post 136 I think... It starts there.....and lots of photos down to about 144. I think it is worth looking at if you like older style sailing.

Thanks kmclemore that was very helpful and works. A lot of back and forth to get a photo here but it can posts. I guess I'll do out and take some photos of the things I wonder about so I can start figuring what needs to be redone that I don't already know. Here is the Weekender I Built. This is when the mast was 12' (not 20')
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http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showth ... 948&page=4
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Re: Newport in Michigan / Boat and Autogyro Builder First Post

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Hi Tim, and welcome to the forum.
I have been building and flying autogyros since 1974, but my love of sailing predates that.
I put some pictures of my MACs on the Rotary forum.

I enjoy visiting this forum as it is very well run and inhabited by friendly and helpful people. I have never seen any flame wars or conflicts on here. It is a very welcoming place.

I hope all of your questions are answered and that your sailing experience is enhanced by your visits.

Keep your sails filled and your rotors loaded,
Tom Milton (in the other Lansing, Lansing, IL.) sailing on Lake Michigan from the Hammond Indiana Marina.
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Re: Newport in Michigan / Boat and Autogyro Builder First Post

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Hi Tom,

You got me confused. Did you mean hi JIM? or do you have me mixed up with someone else? I know you know me...... or did you type Tim by mistake and just mention you are gyro man for the rest of the readers?

I was looking at other sites and yahoo groups and it doesn't look user friendly and everything I have seen here is fairly to use except for photo posting. Looking around here Tom I saw a reference to a guy "gyroplanes" that was kind to help someone test flying their boat. It sounded like you hense the question on the other forum.

Glad to be here. Seems like a nice place to get away from the flames and "rotor sparring". I took some photos on my phone I am going to try to post of the new boat. There is a certain piece I would like to know more about....... if you guys can/would explain.....
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cool - did you guys already know that you can click on the photos uploaded by Tinypic and it zooms in for quite a bit of detail? That will work. Now to find the furling jib pix on my phone.....
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Okay, here are some photos of my boat. I cleaned her up in the middle of winter here in Michigan It looks like she cleaned up good and powerwasher seemed to help reduce time.
[/IMG]ImageImageImage I'll have to wait to clean til it warms up again but it is in pretty decent condition. Will need to polish which is better than fiberglassing.
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Image It cleaned up good but looked bad. Later, the after cleanup pix....



What can you tell me about this furler? No manufacture name at the spool. The black bearing joints 1/2 way up the pole don't have a cutout in the sail. Does the sail fit in the alluminum track and if so how since the bearing is in the middle? There is a groove in the alluminum tubing but I don't see a notch in the sail or how the sail is supposed to work with the double bearing in the middle. The plastic is oblong sticking out on each half with a hole in each. Is a rope supposed to go in there? I just need more info. I think furlow is neat just don't know if it is hard to deal with on trailerable boat. Thanks for any info.

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Re: Newport in Michigan / Boat and Autogyro Builder First Post

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Okay Archie, that makes 3 of ya on here that knows. You know..... Sailing a wing on a plane, an unpowered rotor or sail on a boat.... it's related.... Seems like if you can ride the wind you can't see and change vehicles you might have a natural transitional learning advantage. Coming into a crosswind landing is kinda like sailing on a tack. Constantly adjusting wing angles to correct for drift to arrive at a certain spot. Yea, I don't think it hurts to know about any of this.

Now.... I'm not saying it hurts, and I am sure it is good..... but how is good to have a port and an autogyro builder? That just sounds so funny as heck. You guys are a hooot.

And if I may add - I think you 3 guys are extremely intelligent....... lmao

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So you smart guys.....


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Re: Newport in Michigan / Boat and Autogyro Builder First Post

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Hi Jim, I'm not smart enough to catch a typo like that. I am mystified with the furler you posess. I will defer to the brighter minds here for help with that.
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Re: Newport in Michigan / Boat and Autogyro Builder First Post

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I don't recognize the furler, but that looks like the upper bearing. The sail attaches to one end, and the halyard to the other. You feed the boltrope as you hoist the sail by the bearing, and secure the tack when it's almost all the way up. The halyard block has to be some distance below the furler's top bearing, or the halyard will wrap up in the bearing.

Here's a pic of my 34 footer. Notice the jib halyard exits (internal halyards) below the forestay termination, so there's a good angle between the forestay/furler and the halyard. No sail on it in this pic, but imagine the bearing pulled almost all the way up the foil. The spinnaker halyard is above it, with a fairlead loop some distance below.

Does your mast have a halyard sheave that's below the forestay termination?

Remind me again - what was the question? :|

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I am far from the most experienced but my advise is universal simply raise the mast survey they pulleys and let rhyme and reason fall into place also your pictures will make more definable questions and answers as compared to the collage we have now. I mean a puzzle somewhat together is easier to solve then when the pieces are in a box and of course welcome to the forum birdman.
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I've seen the original Pitcairn being flown by Pitcairn's son at the EAA Convention ( I still can't call it Airventure :) ). It's a beautiful airship and on display at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, WI.
BTW, Gyros and helicopters don't actually fly, they just beat the air into submission! :wink:

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