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Divecoz
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Re: New 26M

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I don't see anyone here getting their panties in a wad.. However Macs Sail Fine as Highlander and others have shown.. Me :) Not so much :o but be careful if you desire to race him or others here who like that sort of play time and, do quiet well at it.. IMHO Macgregors X&M get bad bad rap because 70% of us are like me .. We can sail but we're not great at it.. :D :D Mastereb mentioned other cost to slipping full time 365.. Hull Cleaning.. $100 a month or in my case $10,000 up from for a boat lift and a dock.. add another $15K for a seawall etc etc. Toys are never cheap..
Anyway... we LOVE our Waterbago.. We could sell The M buy a Bigger Blue Water boat and.... put some money back in the bank.. we wont.. it would be counter productive...BTW I was out on my Walk Around last Saturday for about 2 hours.. I blew through over 20 gallons of gas hahahaha :o
Wincrasher suitable move up? I guess if you have $50,000.00 to move up with for a used boat.. and that $1000 a month or a $35,000 tow vehicle.. :D
Me? I am done buying toys .. another few weeks and I will be playing with them all year long..
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Re: New 26M

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Re handling waves of course it does. It has a finkeel boat set of lines. Plus vacuum bagged biaxual layup IIRC when I was doing research. But Its a much much bigger boat. A foot shorter then my old yawl maybe only a foot less beam. I suppose its a move up.vessel if you just wanted to save money by storing it on its trailer.
Re defensive. Lol not me. I sailed my v 22 to Georgetown. I knew exactly what I was getting when I bought it, and when I bought the M. Both boats were acquired for a very specific sort of sailing. Nothing else would do except a self built one off, and that's pure insanity unless you got plenty of money. At least for the foamcore and epoxy I would have made it out of. Resale value of pretty much zero on custom oddball boats too, no matter what calibre build.
Re moving up. Sailing the 26 is harder then the 22. I have to be more careful where I anchor it, even or ESPECIALLY in shallow water. It's very easy to find yourself blown or washed aground in the process of getting the hook up, and getting the boat aimed into deep water. I've pulled the 26 off. With difficulty. Forget that with the 32. You will end up treating that boat as if it drew three feet while cruising. Beaching? I wouldn't. I've been on cats that drew little but were so unwieldy and had so much mast windage you wouldn't dare let them get close to a beach. I mean sure maybe in peter perfect conditions as rare as those are. Once a boat gets past a certain size, the whole shoal draft bit starts to go out the window for me. You got deck space for a nice dinghy, the larger boat will lay comfortably in deeper water. I suppose you could jam it into Pipe creek, but I did that with three foot of draft. It meant anchoring fifty feet farther out. Where am I going with all this? After I lusted after dreamed and then actually thought about it, the only advantage the Hake has over a keelboat like my yawl is you can store it on a trailer provided you can launch and rig it with enough ease to bother.
And oh yea, my #18,000 yawl handles waves better then the Hake will :D
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The mungo tow vehicle you're going to need will cost 50 grand...New...that's a lot of slip rental. Nothing like bring under sail in 10 minutes. Moon light cruises, on a lark after or before work...
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Re: New 26M

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Re: New 26M

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dlandersson wrote:Here's what I'm after... :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZAwqDpWYaI
Me too. Wouldn't mind having the boat too.
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Re: New 26M

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Boat? What boat?

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Re: New 26M

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I know, I can't get over how calm the water is... :P
Hamin' X wrote:Boat? What boat?

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Re: New 26M

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Damn few stern mounted rudder boats are good in waves. The following sea slams the back of the boat and makes the rudders dance. I go though this almost every time I come back into my harbor because it has a shoal break at the mouth. You need to get the rudder under the boat all the way to stop that, and at our size that usually means a tiller. the MAC does wallow a bit in the swells (more than most any other boat I have sailed on). I find that on my boat the key to managing the swells is to just take my hand off the wheel and do nothing. At 9 or 10 MPH wind in swells close hauled I just let the boat steer itself at a speed of about 4.5 to 5.3 knots.. I know when the helm is at zero because my wheel has one particular spoke that I marked in the straight up position. Once I get the sails balanced the boat will steer with no helm input and the wheel does not move at all. if the wind gusts the boat tips over and as it approaches 25 to 30 degrees it starts to round up pretty quickly and it changes course into the wind very smoothly. If it points too high the Genoa starts to get a tiny luff or pump and the boat spills wind and at 15 to 20 degrees starts to turn the opposite direction away from the wind. 'boat' does this all by herself with no input at all from me. Yesterday I went out and sailed all the way from the pier to the power plant (4 miles) in 3 foot seas and only touched the helm about every 10 minutes. The boat just made a smooth serpentine s curves course right to the power plant that I was basing my heading on.

You can't do that in a tiller boat.

After a while you just get used to the boat slowly drifting from 15 degrees to 30 degrees and back to 15 degrees for hours on end. I have just gotten used to it. My wife always says "when we are close hauled it's no time to make sandwiches". She waits until I set a beam reach on the return leg. Same wind, same sea, but only a 10 to 15 degree heel at a pretty constant angle with the Genoa all puffy with the speed at 4.5 knots. That's the time to go to the head, make a sandwich, or play with stuff on the deck.

Almost all other boats are more stable when close hauled than the MAC. It's true, but if you need to take a crap just point off the wind a little and make a beam reach for a while and that solves the problem.
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Re: New 26M

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On sea going boats the bottom of the stern hung rudder is attatched to the keel or skeg. Another important seagoing feature that's not on a mac :D any rudder hardware including the rudder itself is built to take pummeling in the middle of the Atlantic. On my yawl the rudder took two guys just to pivk up. A 2 1/2 inch solid ss shaft held it in the boat. It was six feet long and the bronze fitting that clamped to the end to accept the tiller weighed 20 pounds. This old girl was built back when sailors were afraid of stuff like the steering breaking. My 23 foot cutter also had a rudder so heavy it was nearly impossible to ship yourself. That little boat would happily surf right down those steep 8 ft gulfstream waves without worrying about the rudder in the least. It's not the rudder style, or where its located. It's that this stuff has to be built. For ocean service, that is. I'm not overly concerned about the Ms rudders because I don't want to surf her down seven ft waves. Eventually ill fix them so they are stronger anyway. Maybe someone will produce extra heavy brackets for sale. Mine are flared out at the bottoms and that has to be detrimental for sailing.
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Re: New 26M

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So you are implying I need to expand my repair tools beyond rubber bands, duck tape and chewing gum? :P
Ixneigh wrote:On sea going boats the bottom of the stern hung rudder is attatched to the keel or skeg. Another important seagoing feature that's not on a mac :D any rudder hardware including the rudder itself is built to take pummeling in the middle of the Atlantic. On my yawl the rudder took two guys just to pivk up. A 2 1/2 inch solid ss shaft held it in the boat. It was six feet long and the bronze fitting that clamped to the end to accept the tiller weighed 20 pounds. This old girl was built back when sailors were afraid of stuff like the steering breaking. My 23 foot cutter also had a rudder so heavy it was nearly impossible to ship yourself. That little boat would happily surf right down those steep 8 ft gulfstream waves without worrying about the rudder in the least. It's not the rudder style, or where its located. It's that this stuff has to be built. For ocean service, that is. I'm not overly concerned about the Ms rudders because I don't want to surf her down seven ft waves. Eventually ill fix them so they are stronger anyway. Maybe someone will produce extra heavy brackets for sale. Mine are flared out at the bottoms and that has to be detrimental for sailing.
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