Buyer Beware!!!

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Re: Buyer Beware!!!

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I had similar silly paperwork issues with Texas Parks & Wildlife.

I bought and registered Prindle 16 catamaran in 88. It was in storage from '89 to '92, then again from '93 to 99 when I retired from active duty. Sometime between '93 and '99, TPWD decided that 16ft sailboats needed hull numbers. So, fast forward to '99; here I go with my 1988 registration document to get the number, and Parks & Wildlife accuse me of having stolen the boat, and they weren't nice. Of course, they had the benefit of a 3inch thick sheet of glass to hide behind as they categorically deny my ownership, deny that the form was theirs, denied that it was in their computer system, and demanded that I now pay $142 for a lost title search. Of course, they did seem to have the address of the original owner, which they gave because I would have to get a notarized titled from him (again). A real kicker was when I questioned why the original title (boat and trailer) was only $7.00, and a new one was going to cost $50 for the boat and an additional $14 for the trailer from DPS. The staff got all bent out of shape on that.

The fun and games didn't stop there. I called the state office instead of trying to talk to a snobbish bureaucrat in a satellite office. Initially, I got an intern who delivered the state's propaganda. Next, I got hold of her supervisor who seemed to think the only way out of the dilemma was to go through the courts. During this time, his supervisor broke into the conversation and threatened to send the state police to my residence to confiscate the boat if I didn't pay the new fees. His justification for all the new fees? He told me that "The state owns the waters, not the people....."
Bad thing to say to a recently retired military person.
I sort of popped my own cork and threatened to disassemble the boat and sell it as parts, and the hulls in the median of the local highway where DPS would pick them up and trace them back to the original owner who would tell them that he sold the boat 11 years before.
............Moment of Silence; You could hear the pin drop........................................then the proverbial, "You don't want to do that",.........
followed by, "Yes, I do, and you won't be able to prove a thing".
We were at an impasse. They calmed down a bit. We finally agreed that they would contact the PO and tell him that I was on my way with a "new" title in his name that would need to be notarized, and afterwards, they would expedite the processing of the change or registration.
That one incident left such a bad taste in my mouth that I only sailed the Prindle once since that time. She has sat on a trailer, sans registration number on her hulls since then. I have also aged and am no longer capable of sailing a boat requiring acrobatics and beach cats are not as popular as they once were.

I bought "Mistress" in Nov of 2015, and this time, I was well versed in the regulations of TPWD to the point of bringing copies of their web page to make my point. Yes, they tried their bureaucratic nonsense, and even had the station captain standing there glaring at me, but they found it hard to argue with their own posted regs. The hard part was the simple fact that "Mistress" had originally come from New Mexico. The PO registered her in Texas, but never registered the motor that was purchased in NM, in Texas. I had a good bill of sale from the PO who now lived in Colorado, but the motor wasn't in the all knowing Texas data base (NM doesn't register OB motors).
That gave 3 choices, 1.I do as the PO did and happily sail without registering the motor, 2. I could write the motor off as a loss, and since Mistress with motor and trailer were real cheap, it wasn't much of a loss, or 3. TPWD could concede and register the motor and make some money.
They chose door #3, and I went on my happy way.

The moral of the story(ies):
1. If you walk into an office and the bureaucrat is behind 3 inches of glass, be prepared for a hard time with, and threats from a very obnoxious individual.
2. Bureaucrats are only there to bring revenue for the state, they are not there to help you.
3. Have all your documents in order, and be well versed in their regs.

To make a long story short, bureaucrats mess up everything that is fun for the sake of a dollar and a silly piece of paper, and a plastic card, and a number.


Tomfoolery wrote: My machine only has a 286 processor and dial-up, so it's hard to watch videos on it. :P
You should keep that! It's a bona-fide antique, a museum piece, especially if it has a 25kbs modem!
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Re: Buyer Beware!!!

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Tomfoolery wrote:
Floater wrote:My only legal course to get the money was to sue the people that sold me the boat, then they could sue the pawn shop, then the pawn shop could sue the thief. I'm not about suing good people, so I just took the few hundred dollars loss as tuition to the school of boat ownership (there has certainly been higher tuition paid to this school).
That couple hundred is just the beginning, as things go with boats. That's why they call them 'boat bucks', and I'm not talking hundreds here. :D

I went many rounds with the DMV when trying to register my trailer, bought with the boat from a broker (who sold my keel boat, and is well known among sailors and not a crook). The PO had passed away, and his admiral was selling the boat and trailer. In NY, the trailer registration is transferable, and trailers aren't titled, so you just sign it over to the new owner, and with a bill of sale, simply transfer ownership and get it registered, keeping the same plate and all (unless you want a new one, which I did since the old one was badly mangled). But both their names were on it, and the DMV clerks and even a supervisor didn't know what to do. One insisted I produce a death certificate, which I had to lean on the broker to secure. It was awfully intrusive to ask the widow for that, and I felt terrible about it, but I was stuck without it.

Long story made short, the broker suggested I go to a third (or fourth) different branch office of the DMV near his location and try there, as each one was giving me a different story, and that office simply stamped up the paperwork and gave me a new registration. No death certificate needed. Both names were on it, but since the word "and" did NOT appear on the registration, either one of them could sell it (implied "or", I guess) without the other being involved. Took all of two minutes, where hours were wasted dealing with people who didn't know what to do, and each making me jump through different hoops. :x

Maybe a minor point, but something to look out for when transferring title or trailer registrations - multiple owners, along with the usual (leans, missing or damaged S/N's, things like that. Officials don't always know what they're doing, either. Big surprise there, I know. :P
The Genesse county DMV was my go to place to register all kinds of vehicles with shoddy paperwork. Put on a clean shirt and tie and 15 minutes later you were titled.
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Re: Buyer Beware!!!

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Catigale wrote:Put on a clean shirt and tie and 15 minutes later you were titled.
I'm not sure I even own a tie, at least not from this century, let alone a clean shirt. I don't think a fat guy in an Hawaiian shirt with a tie from the 80's would make the right impression. :P
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Re: Buyer Beware!!!

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We used to dream of 286s ...our computer was a Timex Sinclair at the bottom of a septic tank !
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