Buying a 1989 26D

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Re: Buying a 1989 26D

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Stickinthemud57 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:41 pm An ambitious list to be sure. All good stuff!

I eyed the traveller at BWY, but did not feel the 2:1 ratio would be sufficient, but I could be wrong. I set mine up with a Viadana 3:1, but realized that having the control lines feeding from the starboard and port ends of the rail was not ideal as I was constantly having to move the crew out of the way to use them. I reset everything so that the control lines feed to the center like the BWY offering. MUCH better that way.

I did the Big Jib upgrade as well and have been pleased with the results. Something that I ran into when using the winches with the low profile pulleys (blocks, fairleads, whatever) was sheet fouling. I tried all sorts of things to fix it, but the thing that worked consistently was angling the winches aft.

I choose to set up my own rig for halyards run aft, as I felt the gear offered by BWY stuck up above the deck too much, creating multiple trip hazards. I opted for the flat Viadana deck organizer and Lewmar DC1 double rope clutch. The Lewmar clutch design is superior to old-school clutches in that it is easier on the halyards and has a patented "domino" design for the grip plates that allows the user to pull the rope through the clutch even in its "locked" position. In effect, it is a one-way passage for the line, with very little resistance in one direction and absolute non-slip performance in the other. Here's a link: https://www.mauripro.com/collections/le ... 29101210bk

If you run out of things to do ;), you might want to check out my mods at https://macgregorsailors.com/mods/index ... ion=782097:
-Super easy forward hatch latch set and release mod
-Dual battery hold-down
-Swing-up battery switch and charger
-Backstay reset to get it out of the way of the boarding ladder
-Pop-top gas struts
-Removable swim deck
-Dyneema life lines
-Plex door for easier access to area under V-berth
-Mast raising and lowering system that utilizes the trailer winch

and more!

Let me know if you want details on any of this.
As I go through each step, I'll probably be bugging you via PMs. :-) I've not even started thinking about the interior other than electrical. I'll put that off until another year. I was hoping to do at least one trip out to Orcas Island this summer with my wife, but I'm not going to push it until I have everything sorted.

I'm itching to get started on the mods but my post-surgery foot is still pretty limiting. Our weather this time of year isn't great either and I'll be doing most of my modifications out in the driveway. I need warmer days for the fiberglass work and our winters are cool and wet so I'll likely be limited until the weather improves.
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Re: Buying a 1989 26D

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Definitely take it easy. I rue the times I did not after a procedure. Plans and drawings, shopping for parts you will need, etc. Look forward to future posts and PM's.
The key to inner peace is to admit you have a problem and leave it at that.
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Re: Buying a 1989 26D

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Hi Trailertrash!

Welcome!
Congratulations on getting your ‘new to you” boat and trailer!
Lots accomplished with one foot in the air like a flamingo! :D :D
Your doing great!

You’ve also got a good experienced sounding board with Sickinthemud!
He has a lot of great observations and experience!

Really appreciate your post and progress!

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
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I'm slowly getting better. I never thought I'd be so pumped to go on a couple-mile walk but that was my big Christmas accomplishment.

I ordered the SailTimer wind instrument. I've also decided to get the Pcnautic autopilot, which is pricier than your standard Ray/Sim tiller pilot but will interface with the wind instrument and my Samsung tablet running OpenCPN. It allows me to display wind/route data on my phone and tablet and control the AP from either.

I'm still deciding about sails, particularly hank-on sails vs. RF and dacron vs. LiteSkin.
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Hi TrailerTrash!

Merry Christmas!
Congrats on the walk!
Do what you can but don’t overdo is the mantra!
“We’re all in this together.
We’re pulling fer ya!”

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
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TrailerTrash wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 5:41 pm I'm slowly getting better. I never thought I'd be so pumped to go on a couple-mile walk but that was my big Christmas accomplishment.

I ordered the SailTimer wind instrument. I've also decided to get the Pcnautic autopilot, which is pricier than your standard Ray/Sim tiller pilot but will interface with the wind instrument and my Samsung tablet running OpenCPN. It allows me to display wind/route data on my phone and tablet and control the AP from either.

I'm still deciding about sails, particularly hank-on sails vs. RF and dacron vs. LiteSkin.
My thoughts on sail choices...

RF pro's:
-Roller furling saves effort and time over hank-ons
-Less time on the foredeck
-Easily reefed, but to a limited degree
-Simplifies single-handing

RF con's:
-Adds another control line at the cockpit
-Limits foresail configurations, thus limiting performance at high and low wind levels
-Adds weight that has to be dealt with when stepping or lowering the mast.
-Sacrifice of performance

Hanked pro's:
-Better performance
-More foresail configurations and sizes, allowing good performance in more conditions.
-Less weight aloft (when struck).
-Easier mast management

Hanked con's:
-More time on the foredeck meaning more danger especially in choppy conditions.
-Sails must be changed rather than reeled in or out.

As for me, I'll probably switch over to RF when I decide I need to stay off the foredeck.

Rolly Tasker sails vs Dacron:

I have a RT LiteSkin "Big Jib" and a Dacron radial cut "Big Jib". The RT is flatter, so points better. Very important in out upwind/downwind races. The Dacron one performs best when a bit more off the wind. It's possible a flatter cut would give better results. My understanding is that both Dacron and LiteSkins sails start out close to equal, and that the LIteSkin sails will hold their shape for longer under similar conditions. I have been happy with the performance of the LiteSkin mainsail which I have been using full-time since the Fall of '22. I did have some issues with wear on the jib, but RT made it right. It's a nice, flat sail that gives performance a notch above.

I like the sporty looks of the LiteSkin sails, but I admit that I miss the white sails on those sunset excursions. Nostalgia, I suppose.

Either will serve you fine, but the LiteSkin is, IMO just enough superior in performance to warrant the price.
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That is an exceptional comparison. I think you have captured the tradeoffs with minimal fuss.

I'm leaning towards Hank-on and the LiteSkin main and jib from BWY, although I see you had problems with your original jib in LS. My general inclinations shape my priorities. When I was younger, I did a lot of long-distance backpacking trips (multi-months of hiking). You learn to analyze every ounce you carry, leaving behind what you don't need. That will probably carry over into my "ideal" boat set-up. I don't want unnecessary weight or clutter and I look at some of these boat builds and they look more like American RVs. When in doubt leave it out is my guiding philosophy.

I'll stick with Todd's standard size as I don't need to eke out the last % of the sail area. It seems as though I'd need some sort of up-size storm jib to handle the upper wind speeds. Jumping to the standard jib doesn't trim that much sail area for 20+ knot winds. I'm thinking a jib in the 70-80 ft^2 size would be a better bridge to higher wind days.


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When you do finally achieve your goals, post many pictures. Maybe even a YouTube video of you in action
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NiceAft wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 8:28 am When you do finally achieve your goals, post many pictures. Maybe even a YouTube video of you in action
I kind of view this as a multi-year project. I've nothing but time and I'm not trying to rush to a finished project. I'm sure I'll make plenty of mistakes along the way and the "final" boat will never be reached. :-)

In terms of pictures/videos. I'll happily take pictures and document my mistakes and wins along the way.
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Doable chewables works well.
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Re: Buying a 1989 26D

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In the never-ending update status, I bought the LiFePO4 battery for TrailerTrash today. I figured I better get my Chinese-made pieces before the trade war officially gets underway.

I picked up the WattsCycle mini 100aH unit with Bluetooth so that I can monitor the charge status with my phone. I bought a 20A charger so that I can put the juice in it. Eventually, I'll put some kind of solar on the boat but that can wait for another day. I just need enough juice now to run my AP, VHF, lights, and the future diesel heater.

According to my energy accounting, this will have more than enough power for me for several days. The AP power consumption is the biggest unknown but I think I have enough safety margin in my power bank to cover my bases for any use case.

https://www.wattcycle.com/collections/a ... o4-battery
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We bought our 26X in October as well and our outfitting list has followed pretty similar lines to your 26D's. Latest purchase was a HQST 100Ah LiFePoO4 with their 30A DC-DC/solar MPPT controller. I had a small Eco-worthy 30A PWM controller I used when installing their 130W flexible panel, but wanted something with a DC-DC converter to manage the alternator and solar charging together with Bluetooth monitoring. Trying out HQST, as it's a Renogy house brand and the app should have support for a while.

Really interested in your Liteskin sail experience. We went with a Rolly Tasker Dacron Genoa for the RF, but are considering their Liteskin replacement main sail. Would be a bit of a mixed Oreo sail plan, but hey, why not?
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That's pretty much the rig I'm running now. The main has held its shape nicely thus far, but then again that's only been two years.
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Stickinthemud57 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:53 pm That's pretty much the rig I'm running now. The main has held its shape nicely thus far, but then again that's only been two years.
Pics please!
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tuxonpup wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:08 am We bought our 26X in October as well and our outfitting list has followed pretty similar lines to your 26D's. Latest purchase was a HQST 100Ah LiFePoO4 with their 30A DC-DC/solar MPPT controller. I had a small Eco-worthy 30A PWM controller I used when installing their 130W flexible panel, but wanted something with a DC-DC converter to manage the alternator and solar charging together with Bluetooth monitoring. Trying out HQST, as it's a Renogy house brand and the app should have support for a while.

Really interested in your Liteskin sail experience. We went with a Rolly Tasker Dacron Genoa for the RF, but are considering their Liteskin replacement main sail. Would be a bit of a mixed Oreo sail plan, but hey, why not?
Congrats on the new boat.

I've enjoyed figuring it all out. I'd be interested in your MPPT controller. There is a little 60W alternator on my outboard but I wasn't going to even bother hooking it up. I probably won't be in the water until March/April and I plan on several days just motoring and working through set-up details.
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