Weighting centerboard of a 26X...

Gazmn · Post by **Gazmn** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:26 am

Hi All,

I purchased a new centerboard and rudders from IdaSailor when I became the second owner of my X. The old rudders were in bad shape. [I'll eventually get around to reglassing them.] I bought the centerboard just thinking it had to be as bad as the rudders. It turned out to be in decent shape. While I've since installed all of the above new items. I'm toying with the idea of weighting the old CB...

Reason being slight delay I get when lowering CB and building in some low center ballast while powering with empty ballast tank. I have the rope system for my CB.
Questions:

1. What would be a good CB weight that won't stress mounting bracket, Yet still be effective?

2. I was considering using waterplugging cement as a filler vs. melting lead - as this I think is quite toxic.

3. If cement is a bad idea, where can I get an appropriate "filler"?

Thanks,
-Gaz

baldbaby2000 · Post by **baldbaby2000** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:09 pm

You could mix epoxy and lead shot.

Moe · Post by **Moe** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:58 pm

Try these links:

138 Pound Centerboard

Lead-filled centerboard

It appears that mod isn't on Erik's website anymore.
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Moe

R Rae · Post by **R Rae** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:27 pm

On my '01X the CB will be slow to drop when I am underway at around 2 knots and refuses to budge at any higher speed. I believe the CB must take a set to one side or the other and holds fast when there is any appreciable forward or sideways movement.

Usually when sticking occurs at slow speed I have to gently turn the wheel half a turn one way and then the other, several times before it will loosen up.

The lead shot suspended within a suitable epoxy sounds neat.

Frank C · Post by **Frank C** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:41 pm

R Rae wrote: On my '01X the CB will be slow to drop when I am underway at around 2 knots and refuses to budge at any higher speed.
... Usually when sticking occurs at slow speed I have to gently turn the wheel half a turn one way and then the other, several times before it will loosen up.

My boat is trailer stored and does not have this problem.

If your boat is slipped, I'd suspect this problem is due to a gathering
collection of critters in the CB trunk. But, if NOT kept in a slip ... hmmm ... ???

Gazmn · Post by **Gazmn** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:33 pm

My boat is moored Frank. & I'm sure there's some "Critter stuff" going on. I think I'm going to try just a little weight; about 50lbs. I did read those referenced links which is what put the germ in my head.

Just for the record I also added some dampers in my CB trunk to stop the banging while moored. works like a charm. I used a couple of slices of closed cell foam, cut them on an angle that would compliment the CB blade side so it looks like an upside down V.

I figured a little extra weight would give me a better feel for the CB. And aid in its descent.

-Gaz

Chip Hindes · Post by **Chip Hindes** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:08 am

Reason being slight delay I get when lowering CB and building in some low center ballast while powering with empty ballast tank.

...

Just for the record I also added some dampers in my CB trunk to stop the banging while moored. works like a charm. I used a couple of slices of closed cell foam, cut them on an angle that would compliment the CB blade side so it looks like an upside down V.

Looks like a case of, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

Don't do that.

R Rae · Post by **R Rae** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:02 pm

Frank says:
If your boat is slipped, I'd suspect this problem is due to a gathering
collection of critters in the CB trunk. But, if NOT kept in a slip ... hmmm ... ??

Just checked CB (boat on trailer) no growth in trunk, and CB has lots of healthy side play. Maybe something else is going on !!

normo · Post by **normo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:38 pm

I am also making plans to add weight to the centerboard. Lead shot and epoxy seem to be the easiest and safest for small weight additions. Precision Reloading at http://www.precisionreloading.com/shot.htm will send 25 pounds to your door for $33 which includes shipping. Any infor on what shot size works well would be appreciated.

My reasons for adding weight are twofold. First I plan to add spacers or pucks to the centerboard to reduce the excessive clearance between the CB and trunk. The current configuration results in lateral movement at the tip of several inches. Not good for performance. The first thing that racers do to Catalina 22s, which have a similar problem, is to add pucks to the CB to remove all lateral movement.

I looked at adding a lot of weight but realistically it takes several hundred pounds to make a measureable impact on stability and the structural impacts are more than I care to deal with. The keel of the Catalina 22, which is not a stiff boat, weighs 525 pounds and its draft is also 5 feet.

In the end the weight necessary to lower the CB satisfactorily will depend on how snug the CB fits. I am hoping to come up with something that will be satisfactory while only adding 10 pounds or so. Time will tell.

If anyone else has done this or has experience with small weight additions to the CB I would be interested in their results.

Gazmn · Post by **Gazmn** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:23 am

I think I'll be looking to add no more than 50 lbs. I didn't want to have to lay up any extra roving or fiberglass. Although, It might be easy enough to do though from inside the cabin...
But do you think it would help things?

-Gaz

Frank C · Post by **Frank C** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:32 am

I feel that adding weight to the CB might be good for adding a little stability under heel - additional, lower ballast. But I simply don't understand this problem, that the CB is not dropping.

As I just observed on another thread:
My board drops without assistance, but the only feedback is by watching the CB line pay out. IIRC, the factory provides about a foot of line-tail beyond the cleat. If the boat is still, my CB line pays out fully in less than 5 seconds. I usually release the board while filling the ballast tank, and verify the line-length before hoisting sail.

Erik Hardtle · Post by **Erik Hardtle** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:45 am

It appears that mod isn't on Erik's website anymore.

-- looks like my page accidently got deleted... I'll have it back up soon.

Erik

baldbaby2000 · Post by **baldbaby2000** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:42 pm

I used no. 4 shot in mine. My wife got it at a sports shop in 25 lb bags for about $1/lb. I melted mine so the shot size didn't really matter. Make sure you wear a good mask if you melt it.

BB

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:14 pm

Why not just use epoxy & sand mix as I beleive that is what roger uses for the 300lb permanent balast in the bottom of the ballast tank area at the dagger board on the 26m

baldbaby2000 · Post by **baldbaby2000** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:57 am

I think depending on your goal the sand and epoxy may be OK. I suspect the lead and epoxy will give a denser mixture. In my case I wanted the weight as low as possible so I melted it. It was also cheaper because I didn't have to buy epoxy. Epoxy doesn't weigh as much as lead.

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Weighting centerboard of a 26X...

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