Bought an ugly boat (26X) today!

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Re: Bought an ugly boat (26X) today!

Post by Bobby T.-26X #4767 »

eric3a wrote: It's a floating camper that happens to have sails. Price was also an important factor as livable shallow draft (about 1 foot) sail boats are rare and mostly more expensive multihulls.
For me...it's an inexpensive cabin cruiser that's primary propulsion is power and has a back-up means to return to port if the motor goes out (the sails).
however, we do enjoy limited sailing as well.
the X is sometimes referred to as a "waterbago".

if you're looking for someone to support your opinion on the lack of a Mac X's beauty, you'll probably have a hard time finding many on this board.

just remember that for the price of a Gemini, you can own more than 7 X's. One for each day of the week.

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When I first saw your post, Eric, I thought you might be one of our friends at Sailing Anarchy trolling, but I appreciate your straight up post that followed was most un-troll like.

When you put a Mac up against most other traditional boat I think it is butt ugly, basically - too much freeboard is the prime offender.

For the value and versatility of Rogers boats, this is a triumph of function over form of gargantuan proportions - best guaged perhaps by the number of boats that Roger sells.

All the guys with the beautiful Been-on-tows spend their lives talking about other peoples boats....we spend time sailing them....



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Post by March »

Aah! Beauty!
It's not so much that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but more like the beholder seems to be generally riding the beauty, without having the outsider's vantagepoint to perceive its possible ugliness.
Only those who look at the Mac from the dock or from other boats are struck by its ugliness. Makes sense, too.
For a beautiful boat, nothing beats the paintings at the Maritime Museums.
Question is, is this boat cool?
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Post by LOUIS B HOLUB »

Ugly :o , Mac-X :? , Who said that :x

:D .. just kiddin'--but I might add this, strangely, the Mac X sorta grows on you after you discover its fun and versatility :!: We've definately enjoyed ours. A Winter cabin cruizer, a Summer sailing yacht, a year round Waterbago, Trailerable, etc., ...and just plain fun.

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MacGregor has been building boats for over 30 years now and the stigma of owning one continues.

Its funny though. Depending on the circle you run in, Catalina's, Hunter's and Bendy Toys are laughed at too.

I spent most of my childhood sailing. Raced 420's, Shields, Ensign's, Lasers's, etc. I grew up in a middle class family and our first new boat was a Venture 17. Pretty exciting times when it arrived. But I was embarrased to say we owned it. We moved up to a MacGregor 25 in my mid-teens. Still wouldn't admit it was ours.

I have never understood why the sailing community does this to one another. It is not healthy for the sport or the industry. US Sail, the organization that is supposed to represent "all of us" is a farce. It has no interest or ability to bring new blood to the sport. They simply scoop up our annual dues and continually promote racing programs with it.

The beauty of the Mac is it puts people from all walks of life on the water. The young family, the first time boat owner, the experienced sailor with a limited budget, etc.

It amazes me that the industry ignores the fact that almost 7,000 M's and X's have been sold in the last decade. It is plain ignorant to dismiss what MacGregor and their boats have acheived. They are one of the solutions to revive a dying sport.

Granted, the Mac isn't the best built boat out there, nor is it the prettiest. But it is one helluva bang for the buck. Hunter, Catalina or Beneteau cannot make that claim. Now that I can afford to sail just about anything, I choose to own a 26M and most of the stigma gone. Not sure why, but I think maturity and life experience has a lot to do with it.

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Post by kevperro »

I think the 26S or 26D are better looking boats due to the lower profile but if you need the standing headroom the X looks pretty good.
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he beauty of the Mac is it puts people from all walks of life on the water. The young family, the first time boat owner, the experienced sailor with a limited budget, etc.
that says it all, imho
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Welcome aboard, Eric ... and congrats on finding that ugly lump of clay (which IS her compelling beauty)!
The 26X is my first and only boat and I find her quite fetching (but may we each find the Mistress we desire). :wink: The past 7 years molding her character to my own wants or needs has been an enormous labor of love. And learning her quirks ... then, either adapting them or adapting TO them ... a terrific exercise, another labor of love.

Members' experience with a wide range of other boats helps all of us improve our success and enjoyment of the M and X. Your background is a valuable addition to that body of experience and will undoubtedly help us tweak the Macs even more.

Meanwhile, during your first months with the X feel free to ask anything and everything to help understand the breed. We'll link you to prior discussions and respond with current opinions ... all in the knowledge that you'll eventually help more than we could! :)
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Post by Scott »

I agree with frank, I think the X is an attractive boat. Its no J but the lines are nice.

You are Jaded by consuming images. In some parts of the world large hindquarters on females are still a desireable trait and have been throughout most of history. Only recently have thin women become the benchmark.

For comparison look at old photos of galleons, weird and unsleek but they were the superboats of days gone by.

Beauty is in the eye of the owner/ beholder.
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he beauty of the Mac is it puts people from all walks of life on the water. The young family, the first time boat owner, the experienced sailor with a limited budget, etc.


that says it all, imho
So does this!
It amazes me that the industry ignores the fact that almost 7,000 M's and X's have been sold in the last decade. It is plain ignorant to dismiss what MacGregor and their boats have acheived. They are one of the solutions to revive a dying sport.
If you don't like the X get a blue hull M, not only is it faster but it is prettier too! :D
Funny how other sailors perceive the MacGregor, yet I get many compliments from people about mine, one guy called it a nice yacht and some young girls at the gas dock called out to me on the way in and said "I like your boat." This happens regularly.
Currently I am going through withdrawal symptoms waiting for winter to pass so that spring can administer my next sailing fix. Meantime I spend an inordinate amount of time looking at sailing literature and visiting this and other sailing sites to wet my appetite. One of the other sites I visit is Sailnet and those folks really look down their noses at the MacGregor, call it the chevy cavalier and call Roger the McDonalds of boatbuilders. I still peruse that site though as it has a wealth of information on sailing and from time to time I post a defence of the Mac.
As much as I lust after the grass in the next pasture and already have an idea of what my next boat will be (it can't exceed 32' LOA & 28'LWL due to slip availability) I have a hard time comming to terms with giving up a Mac. Here in the Pacific Northwest (with 10-15 foot tides) there are hundreds of them and they are ideally suited for island hopping here and getting through tidal currents in the passes. A displacement boat must wait for slack tide in the passes. Being regulated by seasons also makes the Mac popular here as it easily stores in the driveway. There are many things about the Mac (versatility) I like which is why I still have one (budget also infuences this). Still I can identify with with some of the negativity I encounter as I think that some of the Mac's greatest assets are it's biggest liabilities. ie. Trailerable = skinny beam - I hate it. Inexpensive = begging for upgrades. Dual purpose = not great at either one, only mediocre. (But that 50HP honda has kept me out of Davy Jones Locker on more than one occassion) It is the epitomy of compromise but serves my use here quite well (aside from being too skinny though) and I will be quite undecided when the time comes to seriously consider a 32' displacement sailboat.
The Mac would be much better if it was 27-28' long with an 8'6" beam, legal most places, and perhaps shipped two in a 50' container. - 7'9" beam is just too unacceptable.

Oh yea one more thing, I slip mine for 4 months at a marina and cannot believe how many folks just sit at the dock either in their boat or in a chair on the dock and just hang out - they seldom sail those fancy boats but they certainly notice how often I go out as I always have to ask them to move their chairs to get by. And that is only on my dock!! You should see how many of those boats just sit there in the water and never move at the other docks, I have a habit of cruising the marina docks in my dinghy to check out the various styles of boats and if you look closely it is very apparent that many have never been untied. Crying shame, they should lend them to me. :D
I notice the Macs at my marina are the most active sailors.
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Beauty is as beauty does.
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Post by Joe »

I'm suprized to here that maybe my 05 M isn't the prettiest boat in the marina. I've always thought it was, and thought that everyone else did too. Uh, all be darn.
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Post by kmclemore »

I dunno.. although the Mac is no great feat of yacht beauty, it does look kinda neat when you pull the mast off.

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