Fiberglass mould making for one-off mods

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Re: Fiberglass mould making for one-off mods

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If I were to design a sliding hatch pilothouse for my :macx:, with the mast in the down position, the hieght of the pilothouse would be 13" at the front and 16" aft. My next consideration would be to have a rubber roller pivot point at the front edge of the pilothouse where the mast would contact it. This would require a steel frame incorporated within the pilothouse. But then, the short distance between the mast hinge and the pivot roller would likely make the mast hard to control when removing the mast hinge pin to lower it to the mast crutch. Even harder, would be raising the mast against the pivot roller to attach the mast base to the hinge. To alleviate these issues, a pop-top pilothouse like the pop-top hatch of the Mac S, or a tabernacle mast.
At this point, the dodger sounds more resonable. :|
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Nah thats a dodgerette !! two stripes would make it a striper !

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If the dodger is in the lee of the sail, is it a draft dodger??

If its British, is it a daft draft dodger??
The real reason is that we trailer a lot, and I'd want to have something that doesn't add time to the setup or teardown of the boat.
Just returning from Cape Cod...dodger setup on my :macx: is 90 seconds......insert two quickpins, snaps around perimeter....
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Re: Fiberglass mould making for one-off mods

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I have only done a couple pieces and they were , much smaller than your talking about.. But I am still with Ixneigh.. I would glue up a bunch of Blue board and start there... .Then using your original hatch as a base that you know will fit the slide and is perfect :) add the new blue foam block to the top of the Original hatch and begin carving a Mock Up of the finished product. You now have a finished Mock Up that you can install on the boat and make whatever changes you desire. Now... you have a male plug and about $15 invested.. Tape off the Original hatch area and spray the foam plug with Poly.. Pull the tape off the Original hatch Area . Your now $20 into this project.. You have numerous choices for media to use for deriving a female Mold.. For smaller items we used plaster of paris.. We literally pushed the Male plug into the plaster..What ever media you choose you now have a female mold that will fit the slide perfectly and its ( with care) reusable for numerous moldings..
We did this exact process for a Fat Boy Tank that a " friend " wanted to look like hummm ( this is a family friendly board....) like female genitalia??
When it was done? We put the tank on the bike and I said .. I just don't see it.. We got some low adhesion shelf liner and cutting it like a jigsaw puzzle, and I covered the whole mess and grabbed my airbrush and commenced the art work.. Hahaha It looked like what he hoped for,so we made a mold and he was happy with the final results.. We removed the plug and all the rest of it.... from the original steel tank and it was as well Good As New.. The entire new ( attention getting tank ) cost about $100 IIRC..??? Fiberglass Gas Tanks are no longer the hot set up..But I have read there is a coating you can use inside that alleviates the Ethanol problem..
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Re: Fiberglass mould making for one-off mods

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K9Kampers wrote:If I were to design a sliding hatch pilothouse for my :macx:, with the mast in the down position, the hieght of the pilothouse would be 13" at the front and 16" aft. My next consideration would be to have a rubber roller pivot point at the front edge of the pilothouse where the mast would contact it. This would require a steel frame incorporated within the pilothouse. But then, the short distance between the mast hinge and the pivot roller would likely make the mast hard to control when removing the mast hinge pin to lower it to the mast crutch. Even harder, would be raising the mast against the pivot roller to attach the mast base to the hinge. To alleviate these issues, a pop-top pilothouse like the pop-top hatch of the Mac S, or a tabernacle mast.
At this point, the dodger sounds more resonable. :|
The Pilothouse hatch will have to be below the mast far enough not to impact it while raising or lowering. Trying to put a pivot roller on it and strengthen it for that is outside my skill set for sure. The way I step the mast wouldn't have any problem with this hatch, although it may require removing the spreaders in order to move the mast forward to the pulpit. I do that anyway, but a lot of people don't.

I'll determine whether or not this is feasible for mast lowering and raising next time I'm on the boat.
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On my :macx: you cannot lower the mast onto the rear crutch unless the companionway is slid all the way back, so a pilot house would definitely have a clearance problem, Clarence.

That being said, you could simply raise the crutch by the approximate height of the pilot house to compensate this easily....
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On an M you have at most a couple inches clearance of the hatch and mast.. I guess you could design and weld a new SS $$$ front support bracket ???
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Why not a removable house? The hatch stays slid forward, the house slides into the tracks forward too. When you drop the mast just slide off the house before you do.
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Gull-wing doors (like a clamshell, opening down the middle) on the top of the pilothouse hatch would solve the issue and allow the mast pass right on through... no problemo...

Not! :|
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Re: Fiberglass mould making for one-off mods

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As a design excercise, I've been giving thought to the pilothouse project. Amongst various designs and dimensions, I mocked up a half model for study. The height is 12", equal to height of stanchions / lifeline and doesn't contact the lowered mast. Essentially two halves that are connected by down-the-center removable roof & windshield panels. The removable panels allow the mast to raise and lower unobstructed and are refitted inplace for sailing and trailering. As seen in the pics, a minor challenge is how the pilothouse obstructs the lay of the babystays. This could be solved by raising the mast crutch height.
If I wanted the mast to clear the front edge of the pilothouse during raising & lowering, thus eliminating the need for removable panels, then I'd need to more than double the height of the mast crutch from 32" to 66".

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Rather than break away panels I still think? I would at least look at raising The Forward mast support to whatever it needs to be for the mast to miss that new hatch top?
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Re: Fiberglass mould making for one-off mods

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I've often thought it would be great to have a hard dodger. The final width would be the same as a soft dodger. As a safety device, grab bars would be incorporated onto the roof as could a mast crutch. To keep the weight down, glazing would be a clear plastic such as Lexan.
Something to ponder this winter!
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