Canadian radio station license

A forum for discussing topics relating to MacGregor Powersailor Sailboats
User avatar
Wind Chime
Captain
Posts: 866
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:30 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada. 2000-26X, Suzuki-50hp, 8' Walker-Bay tender (with sailkit)
Contact:

Re: Canadian radio station license

Post by Wind Chime »

Here is my 2 cents … which as usual will turn into a nickel :P

As a Canadian, I carry the additional licence for VHF marine broadcasting in U.S. waters because the law requires it.

I am privileged to be the holder of a trusted traveler Nexus card. Authorised by both the U.S. and Canadian governments. Having a Nexus card makes my USA and International transits on the Water, Land, and Air, so much easier that it far out ways losing it by not having a licence that is required by law - even if it the law is rarely enforced by either side of the border.

The fuel and time cost for one trip to transit into US waters and have to make landfall at a port rather than clearing customs on the water would cost me the annual fee of the licence, let alone risk losing my Nexus status if a border coasty wanted to enforce an obscure confusing law.

Any large group of people needs rules to organize behavior. In a country they are laws, in a company they are policies and procedures. Certain rules may seem unimportant to me, but I do not believe I can pick and choose which laws to follow - only pick and choose the people who make the laws. This is a individual and personal decison with no judgement.

Most things these days come down to economics - it is cheaper to leave an antiquated law on the books (and collect fees) and not enforce it, than it is to change and rewrite or delete the law. Example: I live a city of 2 million people and apparently there is still a law that says you cannot tie your horse up on main street (even though horses are no allowed inside city limits).

Laws are written with the intent to have no misinterpretation, but the application of each law may be subjective. In this case, there is little room for interpretation. We as Canadians must have a US Station licence when in US waters. There is a process to apply, a fee collected, and a physical paper licence issued. How and when this law is enforced is subjective to each individual border agent. Example: My wife and I crossed the board and were asked if we had any food to declare. We said no. The agent said what about that half eaten back of potato chips in the back seat. I said they were potato chips. The agent said; by law, if you eat it, is it food, and that we had just made a false declaration and could have our Nexus cards revoked, as well as a note put on our permanent file that may inhibit us the right to cross the border in the future.

I do not understand this US Station licence law. But it is a law and I will abide by it to protect and retain my other privileges. If someone wants to petition our leaders to change it, I will certain sign my name to have it changed, or at least to get a reasonable explanation as to why it is in place.

side note:
Why require an additonal Marine VHF permit and not an additonal Land VHF permit?
For those of us who are Amateur Radio Operators (HAM);
1) We DO NOT not need an additional licence: to transmit (non marine frequencies) when traveling in either the USA or Canada.
2) We DO need an additional permit/licence: to transmit when traveling outside the USA or Canada. (CEPT)
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.ns ... ipprocal5/
geminiI-Can
Just Enlisted
Posts: 22
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:46 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M

Re: Canadian radio station license

Post by geminiI-Can »

Windchime,
You are one of the fortunate ones?? There is no question for you regarding the Station License. As a Ham (radio qualifications not personality :wink: ), you do not meet the exemption qualifications if you have your ham radio on board. You have the capability to access frequencies other than the assigned marine frequencies and therefore need the station license even in Canadian Waters.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.ns ... 01775.html

I wonder if other Hams are aware of this requirement? I know I was not aware until I had looked at the researched documents that have shown up in this thread. I believe I now have the answer for me. I will definitely maintain my Marine VHF Station License... At least until I throw my 2m ham radio overboard :D
Rick
User avatar
Tomfoolery
Admiral
Posts: 6135
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:42 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: Rochester, NY '99X BF50 'Tomfoolery'

Re: Canadian radio station license

Post by Tomfoolery »

I just went through the whole online process of applying for a station license with the FCC, which has to have one of the most confusing, circular, difficult to navigate web sites I've ever encountered, and even had to establish an FCC Registration Number before I could move on, though it couldn't seem to use that info to help fill out the online forms. I already have an operator's license, and it knew that someone with my SS number had one, but there was no way to find myself. After filling out page after page, it comes up with $160 fee to register my little marine VHF! <Jerry Seinfeld voice> I don't think so. </JSv> I'll take my chances, thank you. :P
User avatar
Wind Chime
Captain
Posts: 866
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:30 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada. 2000-26X, Suzuki-50hp, 8' Walker-Bay tender (with sailkit)
Contact:

Re: Canadian radio station license

Post by Wind Chime »

Oh, Oh Rick - Have I opened another can of worms?

I read your link but don't understand.
Are you suggesting that I need an additonal licence/permit to transmit - both my 6 watt HAM (no SSB) radio, as well as my 25 watt Marine VHF, when onboard, either in Canadian and/or US waters.

I have:
- HAM (RAC)+ all frequencies
- Marine VHF ROC(M)+DCS
- US Station licence
- MMSI number

Darry

Windchime,
You are one of the fortunate ones?? There is no question for you regarding the Station License. As a Ham (radio qualifications not personality ), you do not meet the exemption qualifications if you have your ham radio on board. You have the capability to access frequencies other than the assigned marine frequencies and therefore need the station license even in Canadian Waters.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.ns ... 01775.html

I wonder if other Hams are aware of this requirement? I know I was not aware until I had looked at the researched documents that have shown up in this thread. I believe I now have the answer for me. I will definitely maintain my Marine VHF Station License... At least until I throw my 2m ham radio overboard
Rick
User avatar
Wind Chime
Captain
Posts: 866
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:30 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada. 2000-26X, Suzuki-50hp, 8' Walker-Bay tender (with sailkit)
Contact:

Re: Canadian radio station license

Post by Wind Chime »

Ok, I re-read Ricks link (copied below) and I am fine with the US station licence I have ... I think :? :cry:
I am not exempt and therfore require a US Ship Station licence (issued by Transport Canada) because I do not meet either criteria.
1) Yes - I travel into US waters
2) Yes - I have HAM radio onboard.

Thanks Rick!

Quote from tansport Canada website:
[quote]Licensing Requirements
Do I need a licence for the marine radio equipment on board my vessel?

You will not require a licence if you meet both of the following criteria:

1) the vessel is not operated in the sovereign waters of a country other than Canada.
2) the radio equipment on board the vessel is only capable of operating on frequencies that are allocated for maritime mobile communications or marine radio navigation.
Post Reply