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Rumdirty wrote:I figure learn to sail in the bay, if everything goes to hull I can just step out and tip the boat back right side up. Ok, maybe not quite that easy, but it's protected and I hope a good place to learn. I figure I should have a solid 4-6 hours around high tide that I can ignore the channel and just concentrate on sailing.
Never sail without the ballast tank full. To the top. With the gate valve and vent closed. The boat will right itself even if it gets knocked on its side (a knockdown). So yeah, it is that easy. :wink: :D

If the tide is going out, pay more attention to the channel. If it's coming in, at least if you run aground, the water is rising. If it's going out, and you may be spending some time there, waiting for it to come back up, suffering the knowing looks of every other boater out there. :D
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Rumdirty wrote: I figure I should have a solid 4-6 hours around high tide that I can ignore the channel and just concentrate on sailing.
Barnegat Bay all the way down to Atlantic City has about a 3" tide. So don't count on tides for safe water. It is almost all mud bottom so less damage if you hit.

What is wrong with your prop? My old boat ate props...or I should say I had problems keeping it from rocks. Saves a lot of money to have it reconditioned.

Years ago, our squadron had rendezvous down at Forked River and tied up and ate at the Captains Inn. Is it still there? Was a good place to spend the night at a marina.

I've only been to Atlantic City once (by boat). The problem with NJ boating is weekends. Barneget Inlet is a nut house on Saturday. Big mega fishing boats blasting full tilt through a narrow channel coming within 50' of us leaving massive wakes. They gotta get out to the fish. The channel is very narrow and winds around a bit. It is fun to finally get out of the bay and into the open ocean. Many times we saw dolphins out there.

If you go further north, Silver Bay was a place of my childhood. Dad took us there every weekend. Very nice area with plenty of open space.

Enjoy and share your experiences.

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Congrats and welcome! Appears to be in great shape.
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Scary way to store roller furler. Could be hard to straighten it up. Most people tie it along the mast. You should store it straight. Congrats on your purchase!
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Yup, read lots and lots of warnings about having the ballast full. It's going to stay full throughout the whole season unless i have reason for a speedy jaunt up or down the coast. Experiment and poke around in shallow areas as tide comes in, I'm bound to get grounded at some point. I have a couple powerboat friends and towus. There's always getting out and pushing :)

3" or 3' tide? Where I'll be keeping the boat is a solid 3 foot tidal difference. At least the bottom is muddy. That reminds me to get some kind of swim shoe and an anchor better suited for mud.

Captains Inn is still standing, I've never been, will certainly make it a stop some day. I've been out a few times on weekends and it gets pretty busy. Thankfully I'm a bit south of the inlet (Manahawkin bay) and don't have to deal with that mess. I would just keep heading south out to the Great Bay to get to open ocean. That's quite a bit in my future. Silver Bay sounds like another weekend destination. Can't wait to check it out. I'm obviously super stoked about all this.

Good tip about the roller furler, I didn't even think of keeping it straight. At least I kept a very gentle bend. Will straighten it when i get home!

A bit overwhelmed at all the learning I'm doing.

Bought a new prop last night. The old one had a huge chunk missing out of it on one fin and another was split and bent. No repairing it.
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I don't know, and have not heard of anyone going from "0" sailing experience, to sailing a 26' boat. If they are out there, and reading this, now is the time to give some advise.

I'm going to suggest something a bit radical; rent a Sunfish. Go out in it and get a feel of what happens when wind fills the sail. A Sunfish is much tipsier than a Mac, but it will give you quick reaction training.

I sailed a Phantom Image for many years before buying my :macm: . Those years on the Phantom gave me realtime training on how to react to wind conditions. Going from a 14' dinghy to 26' sailboat was a fun learning curve. :)

You may not want to have your wife aboard the first few times you take the Mac out. Take a friend who is adventurous. You definitely do not want to dissuade your wife's open mindedness. When that boat suddenly heels ONLY 10 degrees in the first puff of wind, there is a good chance she is going to want to get off and never go back, and the Mac can heel Image more than 45 degrees safely (if you know what you are doing) :) This is not just a learning curve for you, but she also. Remember the old saying, "Happy Wife, Happy Life" :D

This is not meant to scare you, but to give some well learned advise. Your :macm: is an extremely safe boat, fun boat, well tested boat, but it is still something that will take a little time to feel it is just an extension of you.

One other thing, take a sailing course (U.S.C.G., or some other, not just what N.J. requires) and learn the principals of sailing. It certainly isn't the same as power-boating. :evil:


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Rumdirty wrote:Yup, read lots and lots of warnings about having the ballast full. It's going to stay full throughout the whole season unless i have reason for a speedy jaunt up or down the coast. Experiment and poke around in shallow areas as tide comes in, I'm bound to get grounded at some point. I have a couple powerboat friends and towus. There's always getting out and pushing :)

3" or 3' tide? Where I'll be keeping the boat is a solid 3 foot tidal difference. At least the bottom is muddy. That reminds me to get some kind of swim shoe and an anchor better suited for mud.
I've never been south of Barnegat Inlet on the inside. North of it, we had 3 inch tide at most unless winds were blowing hard pushing water out. I know you have more water flow from the inlet, but didn't know it was 3 foot of tide. Sandy Hook bay has a 3-6 foot tide.

Drop some chlorine tabs in the ballast vent when it's full to keep biology experiments from growing in there. I've left a bucket of bay water for a week and it didn't smell good when I returned.
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I played on a Sunfish for a couple hours about 40 years ago. Lol! I might be a bit rusty. All kidding aside, I've read 1/2 dozen books, and can understand the basic mechanics of what's supposed to happen. Been reading tons and tons on many forums, listened to podcasts, and watched alot of youtube over the past couple years. Wife won't be going out with me for a little while yet because I know the boat will heel too much for her. I'm bound to make some mistakes and expect them. If I'm uncomfortable, or just can't figure things out on my own, I'll take ASA 101 no matter what and encourage my wife to take the course regardless.

My buddy's kid (20 something) can't wait to get out and learn to sail. Me either! I've always been a bit adventurous and while I respect sailing, the ocean, and all the possible things that can go wrong, I don't fear it. That doesn't mean I'm hopping aboard and sailing down to Florida this week. It means I know my limitations, will push them, but not go crazy. Hope this all makes sense! :)

Yup, tide varies as much as 2.1 feet in Manahawkin Creek (where the boat will be). So my Mark I eyeball was off by a foot :D Love the idea of chlorine tablets! Smart idea that I hadn't thought of. Thanks!
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Niceaft makes a good point about getting your wife lessons. I went basically from zero sailing experience to the Mac 26 M and it does involve a challenging, and continuous, learning curve Beware, in my humble and relatively inexperienced opinion the MAC does heal quickly. I've had my Mac about 5 years now and my wife has never recovered from the first sailing experience. Here is a description I previously wrote about our first sail:

I am a beginner sailor, so I have little expertise, or experience to back up my opinions. The sum total of my prior sailing experience was once crewing on a small dingy (18 ft) at a reservoir in Indiana and once crewing for my son on a 37' Tayana when he lived in Hawaii. I really enjoyed it both times but also had other interest and never pursued sailing. I retired a couple of years ago and my wife and I decided to convert a rental property we had in the mountains to personal use. The mountain property is close to a mountain reservoir with many sailboats. The lake is 3-4 miles long , surrounded by beautiful mountains and the elevation is approximately 9000 ft. So without a lot of thought or research I purchased a sail boat. I read as much as I could about sailing and took a beginning ASA course on the same lake in a 24ft Catalina. This course provided 12 hours on the boat. My wife did not read or take any sailing lessons. With that background I will respond to your inquiries as best as I can.

1. Good first boat- The Macgregor is a good boat. Based on experience I am convinced if the ballast are full it will not capsize. However, it does heel quickly and to me the impact of the heeling is exaggerated somewhat by the relative high position of the cockpit off the water. If you are sailing in conditions that are reasonably stable (Hawaii or Indiana) it will be a fine first boat. However, in the mountains wind direction and velocity often dramatically change within minutes.
My first sail on the boat was with my oldest son (not my Hawaii son) who had not previously sailed. I had him controlling the jib. I showed him how the 3 jib sheets (ropes-2 to jib, one to furler) worked, talked a little about sail shape and dumping air out of the sail. I took the wheel and mainsheet. We went out and had a pleasant sail, but we had gusty winds and had the boat heel to 30 degrees. Was not unexpected based on my readings, I also had the Catalina at 30 degrees and all I can say is the Catalina felt a bit more secure...but than again I had very little experience to compare to. My second sail on the boat was with my wife and it was a disaster. Basically went out on the lake and had very little to no winds for about an hour. No problem we got to relax and enjoy the beautiful mountain vistas. But suddenly winds picked up and within 10 -15 minutes were gusting to 40-45 mph. Early in this process I told my wife to roll up the jib, but she could not get the furler line to roll up (later determine she had not released the starboard jib line, so she simply pulled the jib tight as a drum and it was backwinded). The boat is starting to heel 30-40 degrees, I figure we cannot turn windward because we are to close to shore and the jib is still deployed. I am busy dumping wind with the mainsheet and vigorously informing my wife that if we want to live we need to get the jib rolled up or released. My wife decides at this point the best course of action is to grab the safety lines and scream. I'm thinking I got to get the sails down, so I pull the main in to get get my hands on the reef line and start lowering a fully winded mainsail. I was using my hands to pull down the wind filled main while using my knees to control the wheel. Before I can get the main down we round out twice, the second time the boat actually moves laterally (to port side ) in the water before it rounds out. We heeled so much the water was slightly over the gunnels but never came in the cockpit, one rudder and the motor were out of the water. Finally I get some control over the boat and note that the jib line was not released before trying to roll up the jib on the furler. Boat's fault? Absolutely not!!! Boat just proved it could stay afloat no matter what you idiots do. Novice captain in a challenging environment. Late in the process I did keep looking for why the jib was stuck, but by this time my wife was hanging on the life line and blocking my line of vision to the starboard side jib cleat that had not been released. Just my ignorance and inexperience. After this experience my wife is hesitant to deploy the jib, and I am inexperienced enough that I have difficulty single handling everything. So we did a lot of sailing this summer using only the main sail.
So how does this relate to your question...well it depends... its a safe boat and a good first boat if both of you have some minimal knowledge of sailing and you are not in extreme sailing conditions unexpectedly. BTW, I have no difficulty motoring the boat into my slip or onto the trailer. Always had fins down when going into my slip, but even with them up still not any issues getting on the trailer.

First ...yes I am still married to the same person. I have tried to get my wife to take sailing lessons, even went to the good folks at BWY , and had Cheryl provide us a sail on one of the first Tattoo, but even she could not get her interested in taking the helm. We still sail, but my wife gets very excited whenever the winds get gusty and I let the heel get close to 15 degrees. I have tried as best I can to convince her that the boat is entirely capable and comfortable with more heel, but all to no avail. So I now often sail with a jib that is quickly furled and a main that is quickly reefed
when the winds kick up (still have got 15 degrees heel with only a reefed main deployed!!!). Best advice I have try, try, try, to convince her to take a sailing lesson prior to going out together...and never, never, never, say were going to die if we don't get that sail down!!! :P
Good luck.
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Oh Bob! I don't know whether to laugh or cry! Me, I look back at some of my "misadventures" and tend to laugh at either circumstance or my silly mistakes. So please don't think I'm laughing at you in any way. You've certainly had one heck of an experience there and I appreciate you taking the time to write down your experiences.

I am repeatedly getting the impression that taking the wife out sailing while I'm still learning is a bad, bad idea. This has been reinforced from everything from blogs, to forum posts, and even some books. I get it. Don't take her sailing while I'm actively learning the basics. Of course we never stop learning so eventually I'm going to have to risk it. :)

We'll probably both take ASA 101 before she comes on the boat with me putting the sails up. I'll probably forge ahead (without her) regardless.
I'll motor her around a little bit. On a calm day. Slowly. With a cold drink or two. :D
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It also depends on the admiral. Mine does not wish to take any course, or learn to sail by watching me. She likes being crew and passenger. On the other hand, she likes the thrill of extreme heeling. It does not bother her at all :)

I must give her credit though; (A) while under sail, she takes the helm for short periods whenever I ask, (B) she will take the helm under power with no restrictions.

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I'm just lucky. My admiral loves sailing, helms whenever, handles all the dock lines, tacks the boat, anchors, everything. She likes speed and extreme heeling. The only think I'm routinely required to do is motor in and out of the slip. She handles all of the provisioning as well, and keeps the crew in line.
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mastreb wrote:I'm just lucky. My admiral loves sailing, helms whenever, handles all the dock lines, tacks the boat, anchors, everything. She likes speed and extreme heeling. The only think I'm routinely required to do is motor in and out of the slip. She handles all of the provisioning as well, and keeps the crew in line.

Sounds like you have a great First Mate, Quartermaster, and Executive Officer, all wrapped up in one. And to top it all, the Admiral too... :) :) :)
Lucky man...
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