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Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:40 pm
by chuck
yukonbob wrote:chuck wrote:
The above comments did not answer the question I asked in the first place. Go back and read the first post. Than if you can contribute an answer to the oraginal question please do, or just read the responces from those who can give intelligent answers to the origanal question.
Chuck
I think you're missing the point of an open discussion not only involving your original question but also the circumstances in which you came to ask that original question.
Throwing out an anchor and intentional groundings are two highly effective ways of preserving your boat and those on board. By standing on deck and trying to wave down a passer-by for a tow you effectivley did not remedy your situation without outside assistance (self rescue), and you potentially put all those on board and the vessel in danger. You drew a lucky card and managed to get assistance in this case; However that
will not always be the case. If you were in fact a hundred yards from the bridge and you didn't have tackle in the water or any other sort of back up plan as it would appear, you'd probably be a viral video on youtube of that 'guy waving from deck as his boat crumples under a bridge' and you really don't want to be 'that guy'. A hundred yards adrift in current trying to set an anchor is pretty tight. I've gone over these scenarios a hundred times in my mind on what I will do and in no way can/should anyone expect that someone will simply come rescue them. It may be hours, might be days before help can get to you. Self rescue should be your first and foremost priority in any event.
Be happy your thread is alive and growing, although it may stray a little the content is all relevant. If you really want the answer to your question look in the mods section or do a search of the forum.
No, you missed the point!! I asked a spacific question , and you tried to change the issue. You did not contribute one peace of information to the question. You just tried to muddy the water. I had an anchor ready to drop if needed. I also raised the sails to catch as much wind as possible, although there wasent much. However, you never know where you will be if your main engine quites, and it would be nice to have a back up to get you home. I also have towing insurance. But a second engine would still be nice. That is why I asked the question. However, you try to make excuses for your lake of knowledege on the subject. Yes, it is an open discussion on how to mount a second motor. I think you need to grow up and not try to cover your lack of knowledge with alot of non help to the question as asked. I have been sailing since the mid 60's, so I think I know what I am talking about and asking. Your right, I don't want to wait hours for help to come, that is why I want a second engine for self rescue. That's probably to deep for you to understand. If you don't have info to offer on the question at hand, than bow out. You won't be missed!
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:47 pm
by yukonbob
Just have fun and try not to kill yourself or someone else.
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:20 pm
by Highlander
Bob & Chuck , When r u two guy,s getting Married guess there was no Engagement due too love @ first sight xxx
Chuck Calm down here,s what u r looking for only if u go with a 6hp four stroke u will have to go with a 4 stroke brkt , the one shown in this mod is for 2 strokes as they do not have as much torq
http://macgregorsailors.com/modt/index.php?view=1931
I will be copying this mod but will be using a 4 stroke brkt as I bought a Merc 6HP four stroke to use on my 10ft Walker Bay Dinghy & as a back-up on my
Now do I get an invitation to the wedding !!
I can stand in as the bar man
J
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:53 pm
by kadet
No, you missed the point!! I asked a spacific question , and you tried to change the issue. You did not contribute one peace of information to the question. You just tried to muddy the water. I had an anchor ready to drop if needed. I also raised the sails to catch as much wind as possible, although there wasent much. However, you never know where you will be if your main engine quites, and it would be nice to have a back up to get you home. I also have towing insurance. But a second engine would still be nice. That is why I asked the question. However, you try to make excuses for your lake of knowledege on the subject. Yes, it is an open discussion on how to mount a second motor. I think you need to grow up and not try to cover your lack of knowledge with alot of non help to the question as asked. I have been sailing since the mid 60's, so I think I know what I am talking about and asking. Your right, I don't want to wait hours for help to come, that is why I want a second engine for self rescue. That's probably to deep for you to understand. If you don't have info to offer on the question at hand, than bow out. You won't be missed!
Well I was answering the question that I quoted in my reply, especially with the :GOOD LUCK: flag.
I was going to put a link to the mod section were this had been done before but Highlander already has so no point now. A 2 second search of the mod section and past posts would have answered your own question. This forum is used and searched by a lot of inexperienced and new owners. It is not just for you. This is not muddying the waters but giving good advice that can be used by all.
How many of your sail boats since the 60s had two engines? And why do you think your
is different? '
It's your boat and your experience might justify the need so good luck with your mod..
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:45 pm
by stuendan
Hi Chuck,
The links to the "mods" page as per the response from RussMT shows the special mount for the 26M that "mdeane" fabricated and which I assume is necessary to get the kicker out wide enough to clear the rudders. A standard "kicker" bracket can then be attached to this mount. It's a great mod which I wish was commercially available. I think this extra piece is not required on the 26X!
Cheers, Stuart
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:38 am
by chuck
I want to thank everyone for their input on mounting a second engine. I plan to do it this winter when the 26M is in my back yard under cover. The reason I want a second motor is just a backup incase the main motor quits for any reason. Getting paranoid in my old age of 80.
I also want to thank those for the seamanship lessons. They were a great review for all the power squadron classes I took, as well as the actual hands on expereance.
Chuck
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:44 am
by mdeane
NiceAft wrote:Russ,
Does that interfere at all with a hard starboard turn
Ray
The space is tight, however, when hard starboard there is no interference.
Marc
http://imgur.com/schLWjL
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:23 am
by Russ
chuck wrote:r all the power squadron classes I took
Awesome. I taught the USPS boating course years ago when I lived back East.
You should put your location in your profile.
Sorry you felt insulted above. This forum is generally a VERY friendly place and Bob is really a nice guy and I know he meant no offense. Please don't let one post discourage you from participating in this forum. It is really a friendly place.
As for the kicker, I agree with your sense of self reliance. I see so many with at TowboatUS card in their wallet as a backup plan. Actually, my 2.2 hp is my backup as well. Although I don't have a mount, I'm now considering it. As mentioned above by Ray, a concern is that it gets in the way of steering. My dinghy has been my backup. I figured I could strap dinghy/motor to side of boat as a tug.
--Russ
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:00 am
by yukonbob
You really can't take things personally with forums texts and emails. The writer tries to convey one thing and the reader can interpret it many ways and our responses were given based on the limited information provided. That being said...
I've also got a 2.5 2s for the dingy. I keep meaning to see if I can lock out the 70 and fit the 2.5 beside it and steer withy the rudders. Next time it's calm out I'm gonna try and give it a go. I don't plan on installing a mounting bracket off the back but do plan on installing some sort of bracket off the rails for storage. Out plan of attack is similar to Russ and I'd tow the boat (in calm air). There is a good series of videos by a guy Trevor Dickson on YouTube (they're my off season sailing fix) he and some others sailed their 27 Catalina up and back down the inside passage, only spent $200 on fuel the entire trip. When the winds died and he had nothing better to do, he hoped in the dingy attached a tow line and rowed the whole rig around until the winds picked up.
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:54 am
by NiceAft
mdeane wrote:NiceAft wrote:Russ,
Does that interfere at all with a hard starboard turn
Ray
The space is tight, however, when hard starboard there is no interference.
Marc
Thanks for the response Marc.
Ray
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:26 pm
by Rumdirty
yukonbob wrote: There is a good series of videos by a guy Trevor Dickson on YouTube (they're my off season sailing fix) he and some others sailed their 27 Catalina up and back down the inside passage, only spent $200 on fuel the entire trip. When the winds died and he had nothing better to do, he hoped in the dingy attached a tow line and rowed the whole rig around until the winds picked up.
My YouTube Foo has failed me. Searching for Trevor Dickson along with catalina and sailing just yields someone that does music and isn't very active. I'm always on the lookout for interesting videos so if you can point me in the right direction?
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:40 pm
by yukonbob
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:49 pm
by Neo
yukonbob wrote:Throwing out an anchor and intentional groundings are two highly effective ways of preserving your boat and those on board. By standing on deck and trying to wave down a passer-by for a tow you effectively did not remedy your situation without outside assistance (self rescue), and you potentially put all those on board and the vessel in danger. You drew a lucky card and managed to get assistance in this case; However that will not always be the case. If you were in fact a hundred yards from the bridge and you didn't have tackle in the water or any other sort of back up plan as it would appear, you'd probably be a viral video on youtube of that 'guy waving from deck as his boat crumples under a bridge' and you really don't want to be 'that guy'. A hundred yards adrift in current trying to set an anchor is pretty tight. I've gone over these scenarios a hundred times in my mind on what I will do and in no way can/should anyone expect that someone will simply come rescue them. It may be hours, might be days before help can get to you. Self rescue should be your first and foremost priority in any event.
Be happy your thread is alive and growing, although it may stray a little the content is all relevant. If you really want the answer to your question look in the mods section or do a search of the forum.
Dam good advice ..... Sometimes it's hard to see the bigger picture when you're trying to solve the problem at hand.
All the best.
Neo
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:57 pm
by chuck
Hay guys, no hard feelings here. As I was looking for second motor mount, I also became blinded and focused on one item. Case is closed now with a smile on all our faces.
I am going up to the marina tomorrow and try to get my 60hp E-Tek going again. Will report results.
Cguck
Re: Second Motor(Kicker) on 26M
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:05 pm
by yukonbob
NiceAft wrote:
Well said Bob.
Direct, succinct, and polite.
Ray
Its easy to take the high road when the admiral is in labor with our second child
And with all the growing up i'll be doing and with my vast lake of knowledge on this subject, the spacific question could also easily be answered by following the installation instructions that come with transom mounting kits, because if not followed manufacturers tend to not warranty their products.
Any luck with those link Rumdirty?
