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Helaku wrote:

Tom Root wrote:Another suggestion is to buy a boat....minus it's motor, much cheaper, and, you can easily get one in NZ, without paying the high fees for importing.....just a suggestion, anyway?

That my friend is seriously using your noodle!

You'd think so wouldn't you? The facts are that a basic spec 26m (and we all know how basic basic is) here costs US$ 42,000 including tax. So as you see if I can buy at under US$30,000 for a well set up boat and export it I'm still well ahead on the deal. The all up cost to get the boat here is around US$41,000 so there's my choice, import a year old boat fully equipped or buy a new boat locally as bare as a babies etc etc.



MacGregors own rules to dealers prevents me from buying a boat from a US dealer and exporting it. If I want a new boat it must come from my local (Local is one long inter island island ferry trip and 14 hours drive away) dealer. The only exception is if I live somewhere that has no dealership ( Afghanistan perhaps ), then I can import direct from MacGregors.

It still makes sense to me or am I missing something?

Makes sense to me. Living in the USA and only dealing with importing NEW, the ideal of shipping from the USA is totally new.

IF you can buy a almost new boat and be able to service it and save over $ 15000 USD. GO for it.

K9Piper

many thanks for the info, very useful hints and tips, I owe you one, possibly a cold one if you find yourself down this way.

Lease

thanks for the tip on hjyachts. I'm not able to find a web presence for them just now. It may just be that my sheep powered ISP is not performing (which would be on suprise) so if anyone knows a web address for them than that'd be very handy. Cold one for you too, actually Iarrive in OZ tomorrow, near Cairns, for the next 5 weeks, small world eh?

You've all been very helpfull and I'd like to take this opportinuty to thank you all most sincerely

Steve

Steve Campbell wrote:

Helaku wrote:

Tom Root wrote:Another suggestion is to buy a boat....minus it's motor, much cheaper, and, you can easily get one in NZ, without paying the high fees for importing.....just a suggestion, anyway?

That my friend is seriously using your noodle!

You'd think so wouldn't you? The facts are that a basic spec 26m (and we all know how basic basic is) here costs US$ 42,000 including tax. So as you see if I can buy at under US$30,000 for a well set up boat and export it I'm still well ahead on the deal. The all up cost to get the boat here is around US$41,000 so there's my choice, import a year old boat fully equipped or buy a new boat locally as bare as a babies etc etc.



MacGregors own rules to dealers prevents me from buying a boat from a US dealer and exporting it. If I want a new boat it must come from my local (Local is one long inter island island ferry trip and 14 hours drive away) dealer. The only exception is if I live somewhere that has no dealership ( Afghanistan perhaps ), then I can import direct from MacGregors.

It still makes sense to me or am I missing something?

I think what we are talking about is to buy a slightly used Mac here in the U.S. that is missing the motor. That will take about 7K off the amount you are taxed and dutied against.

I see what you mean there Helaku and it's certainly worth considering except that a 50 hp Yamaha here can cost in the region of NZ13k or US$8k so it's really as broad as it's long. Also if I buy a boat that's already kitted out there's less hassle and cost for me to deal with getting a motor, getting shafted rotten for so called servicing and the like. (don't get me started on outlandish service charges for basic maintenance task on cars and boats, just dont! )

So anyways, I've got a couple of boats that are possibles for my trip in June and I'm still very happy to hear all your ideas, suggestions and so on,

When I get sorted I'll give you guys the lowdown on how it all went

in the meantime do keep in touch and if anyone fancies a sailing holiday down here I'm sure we'll be able to come to some sort of an arrangement

Steve

Know what you mean Steve. In Melbourne, a reputable outboard mechanic charges $100 per hour! Good work if yuo can get it.

I need the carbies overhauled and a general service and have been waiting for winter when they discount their rates by 30%.

Well, it may be a scheme, but something I did consider when I was going to move abroad. I was going to to have the large dollar items resold in a tax free states a couple of times until it's value was decreased considerably. Is it fraud, possibly so, but it's really funny that we as Americans have all but dropped duties that are paid to us, and other countries just rake in the dough.

We are really getting the short end of the stick, but that's my opinion anyway! Macs should be duty free to nations that have that status with us.....I would hope so, anyway?

A full 50 percent duty was/is charged for incoming goods to this particular nation I speak of!

Another possibility is getting the boat fully Documented, or at least consider it. It could save you depending on the circumstances....perhaps?

Something has happened with all this Most Favored Nation status, NAFTA, etc., and many other things.

I am a Minuteman BTW, and want our borders defended immediately, so just so you know where I stand! I WILL be out counter~protesting tommorow.

Not to bring politics to the board, but Illegals are a real sore spot on my vocabulary anyway!

Man, I need an Island to live on....got room in KIWI ~ land?

So, for giggle's (or frowns, depending on your POV) does someone have a link to commerce tarrifs per chance, between nations perhaps?

Hey Tom

There's plenty of room in Kiwi land, good standard of living and we very nearly talk the same language. We drive on the right side of the road, the left side that is, as driving on the right side is definitely the wrong side. Still with me? Well done that man.

Blame the British (of which I am one) for that particular foul up, how could the nation that made the rules of the road for the sea then have the opposite rules of the road for the road?

yep it beats me too, la de dah.

Border control is now a huge issue everywhere, the UK has big problems with EU member immigration. NZ has similar problems with the Asian invasion and Australia; well Australia should have a sign at immigration saying "P*** off we're full but leave your money before you go"

Favoured nation status is tosh, we (The Brits) are only the flavour of the month while it suits the politicians and while those wonderful Royal Marine Commandos of ours are doing such sterling work out in the sandpit. Someone once said favoured nation status means that we get attacked last by our Allies.

Ok so we've touched on politics, who's up for religion?

no perhaps not

My wife and I considered at least looking at NZ for at least awhile. Both of us are teachers, my wife is a science teacher and also has certification in special education. I am a primary grade teacher with a certification in special education and gifted learners. We both decided to teach after she was a successful chemist and I was a director of purchasing. We wanted more time with our son and to have his schedule.

Anyway, NZ is really recruiting people in education with experience. Being close to our families and NZ's policy on becoming naturalized citizens changed our minds. Your government, probably rightfully so, has really changed the ability to obtain citizenship.

Yes, everyone should go live in Kiwi-land. We'll start by sending all the Kiwis back there!

Just jokin. Where would Sydney be without the call "sux fush end chups pliz" Thankfully, they come for the sun, so you don't see many around Melbourne.

Immigration - or more correctly, assylum seeking - is a vexatious issue, and I can't say I'm in agreement with our government's policies in this regard. The trouble is that ever since..........they can get away with all sorts of draconian measures in the name of security.

The trouble is that ever since..........they can get away with all sorts of draconian measures in the name of security.

Also known as fear mongering for political gain....

Did I miss something or did this thread really start out being a straightforward question about getting a sailboat then get driven completely off point into political commentary?

Also known as fear mongering for political gain....

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The original posting party shifted the conversation to us all becoming Kiwis while waiting for more informative responses. Under Title 3, paragraph 19, sub heading C of the galactic internet posting treaty, this is acceptable. Except for Vogans, in which case the shift must begin with an original poem.

and a beer with pocket lint in your robe........

Sorry for changing the subject there guys, it must have been the third Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster that did it!

I've been off the radar for a few days but now I'm back near civilisation for a spell so normal service will be resumed

Thanks for the input so far