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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:23 pm
by delevi
Great Mod Randy. I need to add that one to my list. Should work just as well with a topping lift, which I have run aft, but not the vang yet.
Deck Diagram for lines aft
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:43 am
by mtc
Greetings,
Been a while since I've sat down and visited, doing the work thing, new granddaughter, lots of mods on the M, Bellaroo, and restoring the house from the storms of late. Glad to see some familiar faces and some new members!
Does anyone have images of how they ran their lines aft on the M? I've got what seems to be an elegant solution, but would always enjoy learning from other's successes.
I plan on running 6 lines 3 to port: outhaul, vang, chute/jib halyard, and 3 to starboard: main halyard, reef, dagger board. My concern is the potential of having a line(s) roll when you step on them. The deck is precarious enough let alone with lines underfoot. I may run them through the cabin, not sure yet. Would love to see what you all have come up with.
Michael
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:38 pm
by vassilis
Once again I am impressed with the number of replies.
I think I follow the advice to start simple, I am planning to have the following lines at the cockpit:
- jib and main sheets
- main halyard
- roller furler line
- reefing line
- dagger board line
For now I will not mess with a downhaul and will leave the topping lift cleated on the boom. From what I hear the boom vang can be already reached from the cockpit. Randy's mod may be done in the future.
Louis,
I am thinking about the Gulf Coast Sailing Center, I came by last weekend and had a look. It did look pretty full though!
Thanks again,
Vassilis
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:57 am
by Scott
If you see fit when you do the mod I would put in a couple extra cleats and leave a spare sheave on each side in the organizers.
I found that I wound up using them as time went by. Easier to put them in initially andfigureout the uses later than to leave them out and have to go back.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:29 am
by They Theirs
Lines Led AftMy selection for the M
I would keep it simple with
Aya 16's pivoting cleat blocks on the mast, halyards led over the cabin top and dropped into the cockpit or a bag on the aft of the cabin slider.
I like
Randy Moons Boom Vang/Kicker, but I would like a double-ended release to benefit control when the boom is out. One on the boom, one foreword, led over the cabin top. (We need color coding on lines)
. A genoa lead car at arms reach at the cockpit rail, but
the Jib needs adjustable lead cars from the cockpit. The changing conditions require the lead car set to power up or down, an adjustable lead car system with lines cleated at the lead blocks or with a clutch at the cabin top sides. This one is a must have for the owner with a Large Roach Mainsail and performance Jib
Factory Track & lead car
Upgrade to adjustable lead
A discussion for adjustable lead cars
Adjustable Jib Cars
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:30 pm
by Scott
TT, The pic you posted of the track on the cabin top is of a Jib track. The genoa track is on the coaming and as such is accessable to the cockpit???
Also in reference to the vang, I agree. Vang is usually used when the sail is out or very broad. Hence the need for it to be run across the deck thru organizers to a cleat. Placed at the boom end would limit its use.
My thoughts on the cam cleats at the base of the mast are that I dont like em. I had my vang setup this way prior to running it aft. I could barely release it from the cockpit.
I dont mean to be contrair but there you have it.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:16 pm
by They Theirs
Anyone going in feet foreword has to be on top of things. Your X is a bit different from the M rotating spar lines led aft. I believe you have great insight, and you're probably correct.
As to the Genoa Car
They Theirs wrote:
. A genoa lead car at arms reach at the cockpit rail, but the Jib needs adjustable lead cars from the cockpit.
I was probably guilty of leading some to believe the Genoa lead car was up for upgrade, but I meant to point to the Jib or #3 for adjustable lead cars.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:49 pm
by mtc
I installed a set of Garhaur Genoa cars on Bellaroo - love them, make fine tuning possible. Must post my images. Mounted a solid vang, too.
I hope she doesn't sink with all the mods I'm making. . .
Actually gave this some thought: There must be a point of diminishing return on any power outcome regarding the relationship between the weight of components and the improvements they produce.
Also mounted a set of Harken Al winches on the rail right next to me so I can sheet the Genny from the helm.
I love these boats!
Michael