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You may need to add extra support to the table berth. There is a couple threads on this.

James V wrote:You may need to add extra support to the table berth. There is a couple threads on this.

Depends on which year boat, James.

The table was strengthened in latter years - not sure exactly where the cutover point was, but my 96 did not have the stronger table and the DPO cracked it.

I've since replaced mine with a *very* strong wood table, as noted in earlier discussions.

Oh, and for the record, our 96X V-berth fits the admiral and I just fine (without any extensions) - I'm 6' / 190lbs and the Admiral is 5'3" and I'm guessing not much more than 110lbs (actual figure is officially classified as "Top Secret, Eyes Only").

I think the aft berth would feel a bit claustrophobic for me, but my kids do OK there. And as our aft berth is bisected by an 18-gallon fuel tank & enclosure, it wouldn't work for the admiral and I anyway.

I dont think there are any strength issues with the dinette berth on the M, mine has certainly been fine. It is probably the most comfortable single berth on the M, but as a double I dont think it is practical unless you are 18 years old and REALLY in love (and in that scenario, there may be some strength issues ). The biggest drawback to it is the big table cushion which has to be stored elsewhere when the table is up.

Kelly

kziadie wrote:...I dont think it is practical unless you are 18 years old and REALLY in love (and in that scenario, there may be some strength issues ). The biggest drawback to it is the big table cushion which has to be stored elsewhere when the table is up.
Kelly

Wow... talk about harsh... that's no way to talk about a lady, Kelly.

I think I better take the fifth rather than respond...

Kelly

The middle port-side cushion can also be used on the table (26M).
Put the smaller cushion intended for aft of the galley, just aft of the forward cushion, and slide the galley up to it.
The back cushion can be bent at a 90 degree angle, so that you can also sit with your back against the forward end of the galley.

I've since replaced mine with a *very* strong wood table, as noted in earlier discussions.

Yeah, Kevin replaced his table - and Van Gogh's Lillies is like my oil on canvas too.....

someone post the link to that artwork

A Scout is Modest indeed......

thanks again for all comments and ideas

Cam

kziadie wrote: The biggest drawback to it is the big table cushion which has to be stored elsewhere when the table is up.
Kelly

We own a 05 M as well and I agree Kelly. Where the heck do you store that extra cushion? For us ? Its in the dock box, NOT on the boat, there just is no room for us to have it on the boat taking up room, and still have room for all the the other stuff
How easy is it to set up and take down the table? For our rare or occasional usage its fine. But for regular usage I would replace the bolt and plastic wing-nut system with a larger diameter Drop bolt and hitch pins. The M's table seems to be quite sturdy.
Like any design exercise . If you move one item or space it will have far reaching ramifications to the remaining area.
Aft berth is a fairly easy access and though it seems best from the starboard side you can access the aft berth from either side. Seems to depend where you have chosen to station your galley. BTW there is a lot of choice there with the M and We have a location that works best for us 90% of the time. When we need to move it forward or back , its a simple procedure to do so.
IMHO the 05 M at least seems to be best suited for 2 adults in the aft berth and a couple of kids sleeping on or in, any of the 3 other berths.
It appears that if you have a crew aboard an X might . . . better suit your needs. But you will be giving up a lot of , what are for us desirable qualities of the M's interior design.
Exactly why so many new homes have that Open Floor Plan. Its all one big room Living rm. - Kitchen - Dinning rm. - Family rm.
On the other hand we live in a 1870's Vicky and we have all those rms as defined areas.

We have used the X VBerth with extra foam and the extender such as shown in Duane Dunns Allegro. We have both found it to be the most comfortable place for us to sleep together. We tried our sleeping bags but they tended to wrap around us and we would be tossing and turning as we got caught during the night so Diane has made 2 fitted sheets: 1 cotton with a lightweight quilt on top for warm summer nights and a fleece fitted sheet sewn together with a top fitted sheet plus the quilt for the colder nights of the shoulder season when temperatures are freezing or less.

We also limit ourselves to 1 large rubbermaid container for clothing each which we keep on the Vberth during the day and move them over to the table for sleeping. Thus getting ready for bed is a quick operation.

Diane and Mike Purdy
Jedaro
Kanata ON

I am 6' 200lbs and can easily fit in the starboard side of the V berth. When my family of 4 is out for an extended period, we put the 2 kids in the V berth and the wife and I are in the aft berth with lots of "stuff" down the middle between us. There is room for the two of us to have a sleeping bag width each, plus a set of water skis in between. We find the aft berth is very roomy and non claustrophobic. I like that I can sit up after sleeping and know that I will not hit my head not a nice way to wake up for sure.

We have not tried the table option, but have the "where the heck are we gonna put this thing" cushion stored at home. I like Bill's idea and have tried it often, my wife loves that config.

G

beene wrote:I am 6' 200lbs and can easily fit in the starboard side of the V berth. When my family of 4 is out for an extended period, we put the 2 kids in the V berth and the wife and I are in the aft berth with lots of "stuff" down the middle between us. There is room for the two of us to have a sleeping bag width each, plus a set of water skis in between. We find the aft berth is very roomy and non claustrophobic. I like that I can sit up after sleeping and know that I will not hit my head not a nice way to wake up for sure.

We have not tried the table option, but have the "where the heck are we gonna put this thing" cushion stored at home. I like Bill's idea and have tried it often, my wife loves that config.

G

Bill had ours set up in that configuration as well, when we took possession and it has been seldom changed.
That is one of the many nice features about the X and the M.
Make it what You want, without much trouble. Rather rare among boats of this size, from what I am seeing at the Marina

I'm 5'8" and I can comfortably sleep in the V on my M, but it is not my first choice.

If I am at a dock or tied fast to shore, I sleep in the aft berth, port side to counter the weight of cooler and junk stored to stbd.

If I am at anchor where I want fast access to the cockpit in case my anchor drag alarm goes off, I sleep on the port settee (it's huge in the 2004 layout and unencumbered with galley stuff). The one complaint I have is the thick foam in the settee seats is a bit too soft for my tastes - one of these days I will get around to replacing it with something firmer.

- Andy

Rather rare among boats of this size, from what I am seeing at the Marina

I have had several cruiser type skips have a look inside my Mac and they have all been impressed with the room and config options available to choose from.

They are suffering from Mac envy.

G

My family of 6 (Me, wife, 4 kids ages 17,15,13,7) sleep comfortably in our 26M. The aft berth is much more roomy for two adults so my wife and I take that one. Two kids in the bow berth and one of the teens on the dining area berth and the other on the bench cushions. Sleeping on the 26M is fine with 6 but all trying to eat or watch a DVD is somewhat cramped.