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Has anyone tried to remove the trim around the windows. I would like to replace it someday with real wood trim and was wondering how to remove it.

If you read through the earlier portion of this male bonding you will notice that the trim is used to hold the window in. There are little black screws that go in from the outside and the trim is used as backing for them to screw into. There is a caution that wood is not stable enough, although I would think that oak might be especially if coated with epoxy, and you might consider searching on leaky windows so you have an understanding about what you are considering. I seem to remember someone talking about pulling their windows and rebedding them. based upon a previous discussion, I have decided to stop doing simple searches for new people

Tangentair mentioned that perhaps real wood wouldn't be stable enough material when I mentioned replacing the trim around the windows. Does this caution pertain to the windows only or for anywhere on the boat.

It depends on where on the boat you are talking about.

What I thought Ron was referring to was that IF the wood got wet (from a leaking window lets say) what was hard when you first screwed into it, may turn soft. This thread is suddenly making me sweat. I'll be back after a shower

Ray

Ray

Had your shower yet ! hope you got a back scrub !!
well you can always buy that vynle tape that looks like wood trim to stick on around the windows I'm thinking of trying it out to see what it looks like I believe I have some kicking around some where so it would not cost me nothing to try it out , talking about trying it out , buy some of that mirror mactac stick it on the windows so you can see out but nobody can see in tie up to a busy down town slip go down into the cabin with a desirable female friend make that sucker rock & watch all the people trying to look in to see whats happening !!!! I know I got to much time on my hands " not really "

Well I think I'll go shower now & see what it does for me ! no back scrubber though !

J

I mention male bonding and you guys jump in the showers????

Back to the wood, (that is a set up for Rick), there have been recent post that show really good use of wood throughout the boats to warm up the interior. I am thinking specifically of Zeno's Arrow as well as those cabin dividers (aft bulkheads) along with the Ozzies' mods. They do seem to have the time and materials, but I am heading off on a tangent.
While at the local lumber yard, I was checking out the veneer products - they had cherry, walnut, red oak, and several others in 1, 2, and 24 inch widths. With a proper staining, and a coat of epoxy they would certainly make nice trim options for around the v-berth, over the mirror ( s) and around the galley. It is very light weight, and the second coating of epoxy could be used to glue it in place.
West Marine has a video of the west epoxy products, and MAS epoxies website has many also, showing how epoxy can be used to protect and perserve wood in a marine environment. I may try this when the major mods get finished. If my wife and her plans ever let me get started but that is another story.

Has anybody thought about using Corian as a trim material? It may not be the look of wood, but given the various shades & visual effects...something to consider.

Marble, or what looks like it in a sailboat. Hmm, that could be different. Use it on the sole, and have a marble floor Maybe a marble pedestal in the cockpit Hmmmm.

Ray

Ray

You got to many marbles running around in your ! ah never mind

Well, this thread certainly got some folks frisky!

I had not heard anything about the factory trim on the 05-07's being a problem, I'm glad I asked!

I'm not really much of a curtain guy (if anyone wants to look, they're welcome to see what they can!), so I'm thinking of just getting some wood and routing out the shape of the window frame, varnishing it, and Velcro-ing it up as aesthetic-value-only trim. I don't want to epoxy it in place because if I do I am guaranteed to need to get at the nuts on the window screws withing a few months of applying the permanent adhesive On mine, the screws holding the windows in appear to go through the cabin top and liner with nuts on the inside, and those little plastic caps over the nuts to camouflage them.

- Andy

Duane Dunn, Allegro wrote:From what I hear you don't want the wood trim used in the M's. It was causing a lot of problems. Once they had cut the groove around the edge for the plastic tee moulding the wood became too fragile to do it's job.

Besides being trim, it is also an integral part of the window installation. Screws are run from outside through the plexi and fiberglass into the wood. The trim is actually serving as the inside structure holding the windows on. Because it is compromised by the tee moulding and is real thin to begin with it has warped in many boats.

They have done away with the wood trim in the '08 Macs. The liner now is moulded to turn out and meet the plexi eliminating the need for any trim to hide the raw edges where the windows are cut into the outer deck panels.

On my 05 none of the above is true .... its decoration at best. no warping no split and sure as heck is not structural.

Well seeing that their is interest in this again heres the 08 M window liner
http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee20 ... 010012.flv

J

Hmmm...
I must have an early 2008M. Mine still has the fake wood trim.

John,
After watching your interior video it appears the factory has used something different to cover the hole on the cabin roof surrounding the daggerboard trunk, that access panel where they stuff all the foam into. Mine is smoked plexiglass but I could only see the edge of yours and it looks as though it could be wood, the same wood used for the table and galley, is this so? I saw a mod where someone put similar wood across the bulkhead facia that is over the mirror for mounting instruments on. Looked pretty nice and I may do it some day, probably when I replace the access cover with wood. The '03 did not come with the plastic wood around the windows and also has the galley in front of the mirror.

Terry

I will try to take pic's on Fri morn to post OK, here's a pic of the wooden base trim at the bottom of the D/B trunk it's the same material at the top only a bigger cover

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee20 ... 010083.jpg

J