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Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:39 pm
by Highlander

Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:02 pm
by Rick Westlake
Holy Mazola, Batman! :o

Those Transats look way beyond my excitement threshold. And those long, pivoting sprits? Is that your next mod?

(Okay, after Tuesday I wonder if a bowsprit might have been a better idea than through-bolting a tack block to the bow-pulpit mast "ears" for my K-H gennaker. Would a Forespar "Banana Sprit" interfere too much with my anchor locker and foredeck hatch, though? I'm just glad I had the sheets close to hand, when Bossa Nova started going over ....)

Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:26 pm
by delevi
Sweeet! One day, I gotta get on one of these super fast boats. John, keep moding. Once you get your :macm: to sail like these boats, you'll need to rename her to something like "The Flying Scott." 8)

Cheers,
L.

Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:28 am
by Highlander

Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:35 pm
by ralphk
We were flying the Doyle spinnaker last weekend on Lake Ontario.
I have it rigged outside of the jib with the tack on a foot long pendant to the pulpit.
Halyard is on a masthound about 20" above the jib's.

Launched the spin beautifully from it's sock. Good sail shape.
No anxiety at all.

Started on a beam reach with the sheets holding the spinnaker pretty flat, but hardly any luffing.
Here's the rub.

Boat speed dropped to about a mile per hour less than with 100% jib.
I eased the sheets, tried bearing off to a broad reach, expecting a some kind of acceleration...
.... Nothing.

There was a small, small window between beam reach and broad reach, then as I continued to bear off the main quickly doused the wind and the spin collapsed.

I tried shortening the pendant. ... nothing
I tried sheeting in the main, hoping to allow cleaner air flow to fill the spin... nothing
Last year I even tried reefing the main in light wind to aide the spinnaker... Still collapses pretty far from a run, in my opinion.

Summary:
The assymetrical is less than useless running.
It is a handicap on a beam reach.
ok on broad reach, but no performance improvement from white sail.

Conclusion:
1) skipper is inept :?
or
2) we've been conned to covet this mythical parachute even though it doesn't work :x


" Shore looks purdy though, with all them bright colors"

Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:56 am
by Kelly Hanson East
One of the few times Ive managed to surf the boat (8-9 knots maintained) was on a full run with the spin up in the air like a chute (two sheets on the genny cleats, head on the jib halyard

Speed was great, minimal control ... :? :? :?

I came round the corner of the Hudson and was facing a tanker coming at 15 knots...
:o :o :o :o

To look good is to feel good...

Re: Spinnaker Performance

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:55 am
by ralphk
Folks:

I did a little more mouse clicking and found the following post by Trouts Dream
Boy, what a different experience!

I'm very envious, especially since I think I have the same setup, (except for the 2nd forestay).

So I'll raise the challenge to the 'chuters in Mac Nation.
What are the 3 most important considerations when flying the assym?

ralphk
Hakuna Matata 97X

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by Trouts Dream ยป Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:19 pm

My favorite sail in light winds is my asym spinnaker, with chute.
When I first installed a CDI furler and tried to take some rake out of my mast, I installed a 2nd set of hounds 8 inches higher on the mast. I left the lower hounds in place and added a second forestay.
The lines for my spinaker are left in place, with the sheets attached to the clew line at the bow. I ran a clew line along the port side (parallel to the furler line) and through a sheave at the bow. I use the D Dunne method of levering to make it easier to attach the furler and this leaves me an attachment point just aft of the forestay tang.
I will try to post pictures in the near future.
This allows me to fly my spinnaker as much as 8-10 ft off the deck or pull it tight enough to sail a beam reach. In the right wing I have been able to get about 10 degrees higher than beam using the spinaker. Most of the time I will use the spinaker alone, no main, and just sit back and look at the pretty colours against the sun and sky
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