i know that the macgregor is a very fast cruiser/racer, but 1 day from india to australia... isn't this a little short?31st---Lv Ganges and cruise to Sidney
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I like some of Rick Worthy's suggestions (MYCBC) and also some of Steve Johnson's. I looked up Ganges in the 2004 Waggoneer Cruising Guide and saw that it has all the amenities and a huge floating breakwater that a large number of boats can tie up to. It is a definite possibility.
I would also like to mention that it migt be a good idea to plan an extra day at a few of the locations to have a barbecue or other group activity.
As another suggested stop in the San Juans I saw in the Waggoneer Guide is English Camp at Garrison Bay, a short distance from Roche Harbor. This is where the British garrison was stationed during the amazing 1859-1872 Pig War tensions. If it was big enough for a fleet of war ships, then it must be big enough for a flotilla, though I've never been there. Being a National Park though I would assume it has facilities for a huge salmon bake if we were to plan one.
Stuart Island also looks interesting but also remote, it would be a nice change from Sucia.
I agree, we'd best get on this and make dates, places and reservations.
I will keep MYCBC posted as well
I would also like to mention that it migt be a good idea to plan an extra day at a few of the locations to have a barbecue or other group activity.
As another suggested stop in the San Juans I saw in the Waggoneer Guide is English Camp at Garrison Bay, a short distance from Roche Harbor. This is where the British garrison was stationed during the amazing 1859-1872 Pig War tensions. If it was big enough for a fleet of war ships, then it must be big enough for a flotilla, though I've never been there. Being a National Park though I would assume it has facilities for a huge salmon bake if we were to plan one.
Stuart Island also looks interesting but also remote, it would be a nice change from Sucia.
I agree, we'd best get on this and make dates, places and reservations.
I will keep MYCBC posted as well
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I'll try to take a look at the cruise plan, distances, and get a small chart up.
I see what may be a few problems:
If we are indeed looking at a fleet of 20 - 40 boats,
Deer Harbor will be challenged to handle a group this large. While they have the slip space we would need almost all of it.
Stuart should be fine as long as everyone is properly equipped to anchor out. They don't have that much dock space and rarely is it not in use by other boats. They do allow rafting at park docks up to a point. There is also is quite a bit of anchoring room there.
Otter Bay does not have enought slip space for a group this big. They do have a large bay that possibly some could anchor in. Port Browning could be an alternative. I'm told the docks have been completely re-built but I haven't seen it myself. Prehaps one of our northern fiends could report.
Ganges has plenty of room. It could be a good two night spot for parties. It's a busy eclectic place. I'd start with Ganges marina. It closer to everything than Salt Spring Marina although Salt Spring is bigger.
Sidney has lots of space in multiple marinas
Friday Harbor also has plenty of space but I know when I arranged the trip two years ago they indicated they did not allow large group reservations during the summer months. They indicated the could fit us all in, but not necessarily in one place as a group.
Blakely could be challenged if the group is bigger than 20.
Other possibilities:
There are two good sized marinas in Fishermans Bay on Lopez. I'm sure between the two we could be accomodated. It is a mile walk to town from them.
Thetis with it's two marinas could probably work.
I'd stay away from Poets Cove, and Roche Harbor. Sucia can also get old although it always has plenty of room in one of it's many bays.
Anchoring in Montegue Harbor could be a choice.
Blind Bay on Shaw in the San Juans could be a good anchor out spot as could Spencer Spit on Lopez.
I'd suggest you pick two places, one Canadian and one U.S. that you designate a rendevous party nights. These would be the days to show up if people can't make the complete tour. Many of the marinas have party/BBQ spaces you can reserve like the Blakely cabana and the Roche Party Barge we had on the 2003 trip.
I see what may be a few problems:
If we are indeed looking at a fleet of 20 - 40 boats,
Deer Harbor will be challenged to handle a group this large. While they have the slip space we would need almost all of it.
Stuart should be fine as long as everyone is properly equipped to anchor out. They don't have that much dock space and rarely is it not in use by other boats. They do allow rafting at park docks up to a point. There is also is quite a bit of anchoring room there.
Otter Bay does not have enought slip space for a group this big. They do have a large bay that possibly some could anchor in. Port Browning could be an alternative. I'm told the docks have been completely re-built but I haven't seen it myself. Prehaps one of our northern fiends could report.
Ganges has plenty of room. It could be a good two night spot for parties. It's a busy eclectic place. I'd start with Ganges marina. It closer to everything than Salt Spring Marina although Salt Spring is bigger.
Sidney has lots of space in multiple marinas
Friday Harbor also has plenty of space but I know when I arranged the trip two years ago they indicated they did not allow large group reservations during the summer months. They indicated the could fit us all in, but not necessarily in one place as a group.
Blakely could be challenged if the group is bigger than 20.
Other possibilities:
There are two good sized marinas in Fishermans Bay on Lopez. I'm sure between the two we could be accomodated. It is a mile walk to town from them.
Thetis with it's two marinas could probably work.
I'd stay away from Poets Cove, and Roche Harbor. Sucia can also get old although it always has plenty of room in one of it's many bays.
Anchoring in Montegue Harbor could be a choice.
Blind Bay on Shaw in the San Juans could be a good anchor out spot as could Spencer Spit on Lopez.
I'd suggest you pick two places, one Canadian and one U.S. that you designate a rendevous party nights. These would be the days to show up if people can't make the complete tour. Many of the marinas have party/BBQ spaces you can reserve like the Blakely cabana and the Roche Party Barge we had on the 2003 trip.
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Hi Steve, I see you are proposing to start on July 25th a Monday and finish on August 3 a Wednesday. May I suggest we back it up 2 days from Saturday July 23 thru to Monday August 1 which is a holiday here in B.C. That still gives us 10 days and makes better use of the weekends.
Another thought crossed my mind, what if we travelled on the odd days, the first and then every other and on the even days the second day and every other after that we spend the day at any given destination to allow for activities, events, visiting, or just hanging out. Of course this will reduce the total destinations likely to 4-5 but allows for quality time in between. You may wish to set aside an entire day for 20-40 boats to pass thru customs.
Given this proposal I would suggest two Canadian and two US destinations would suffice. I like the sound of Ganges even though I've never been there. I would also lean towards Duane Dunns suggestions because it sounds like he has been there and back again a few times over and speaks from more experience than I. I will also be listening for suggestions from our own more experienced club members.
Once you chew this up you can spit out counter suggestions.
Another thought crossed my mind, what if we travelled on the odd days, the first and then every other and on the even days the second day and every other after that we spend the day at any given destination to allow for activities, events, visiting, or just hanging out. Of course this will reduce the total destinations likely to 4-5 but allows for quality time in between. You may wish to set aside an entire day for 20-40 boats to pass thru customs.
Given this proposal I would suggest two Canadian and two US destinations would suffice. I like the sound of Ganges even though I've never been there. I would also lean towards Duane Dunns suggestions because it sounds like he has been there and back again a few times over and speaks from more experience than I. I will also be listening for suggestions from our own more experienced club members.
Once you chew this up you can spit out counter suggestions.
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THis friday the 10th at 1930 hrs, there will be an online discussion about the trip, next summer. Members of the MYCBC will conduct this on their website. Discussion is still on going as to final cruise itinerery, and dates. You have to be a member(I am one!) to participate. Follow this thread and any new info will be updated this weekend. Any items you that are going or thinking of going, please post here for inclusion by me or other members of MYCBC that monitor this list.
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I can't make the chat this evening, but here's my input for what it's worth. It's a bit free form, not in any particular order.
I'd suggest building the trip around two, two night stops, one in Canada and one in the US. These can be the main events, a full tour can be built around them for those who want to cruise in a pack for the week. Others can just show up for the main gatherings. Some may not want to cross the border so they can just make the gathering in their country.
I'd suggest Stuart Island as the main stop in the US. This would be two nights in a park area, more primitive, perhaps at one of the docks if your lucky or anchored out either on your own or rafted with others. One of the two nights there could include a big BBQ and beach fire. Stuart's proximity to Roche makes it possible for those who can't live away from a marina to still join in and fuel and groceries are also easily accessible.
I'd suggest Ganges as the main stop in Canada. This would be two nights at a marina. There shouldn't be a prolem reserving space for the group at one of the 3 marinas in the harbor. There is lot's to do in town.
Around these two main stops build other one day stops into the itinerary. Perhaps a park in Canada, maybe Montegue Harbor or one in the Sidney area. Marina stops for those following the whole tour could also include Otter Bay, or a marina in Sidney.
In the US I'd throw in the option of nights at Deer Harbor, Friday Harbor, and Blakely Island for marinas or Spencer Spit if you want another park.
I'd suggest you agree in the two places for the primary gatherings, the Steve can put together a tour for US boats leaving Anacortes / Deception Pass / Laconner. There might be two plans, one that crosses the border, one that doesn't. The cruise director for the Canadian club can do likewise for the Canadian boats that want a full week planned trip.
I'd make following the planned trip an option, and focus mainly on getting the boats to show up for the two main gatherings.
As I can attest to having arranged the trip in 2003 most of the stress around the whole thing is knowing who is joining when and where. Because of this I'd keep it loose and flexible so Steve doesn't have to be counting boats at every stop and wondering if someone is lost.
It's easy to reserve blocks of space in marinas, but once you get close most want to know exactly how many boats to expect so they don't have slips that go empty for the night. This isn't an issue if Stuart is one of the stops, but I'm sure we would need to be able to get a good count of boats for the nights at Ganges.
Perhaps for the other marina stops we should not attempt block reservations. Mid week you almost always find a marina will find a way to accomodate you, and as a last resort there is usually always a park nearby where you can anchor. I'll leave this all up to you.
I plan to just try an show up for the main events. I can help with itinerary planning, charts, etc if needed.
Once the details are firmed up I'll also coordinate with Bluewater Yachts and get the event on thrie cruising clubs calendar as well.
I'd suggest building the trip around two, two night stops, one in Canada and one in the US. These can be the main events, a full tour can be built around them for those who want to cruise in a pack for the week. Others can just show up for the main gatherings. Some may not want to cross the border so they can just make the gathering in their country.
I'd suggest Stuart Island as the main stop in the US. This would be two nights in a park area, more primitive, perhaps at one of the docks if your lucky or anchored out either on your own or rafted with others. One of the two nights there could include a big BBQ and beach fire. Stuart's proximity to Roche makes it possible for those who can't live away from a marina to still join in and fuel and groceries are also easily accessible.
I'd suggest Ganges as the main stop in Canada. This would be two nights at a marina. There shouldn't be a prolem reserving space for the group at one of the 3 marinas in the harbor. There is lot's to do in town.
Around these two main stops build other one day stops into the itinerary. Perhaps a park in Canada, maybe Montegue Harbor or one in the Sidney area. Marina stops for those following the whole tour could also include Otter Bay, or a marina in Sidney.
In the US I'd throw in the option of nights at Deer Harbor, Friday Harbor, and Blakely Island for marinas or Spencer Spit if you want another park.
I'd suggest you agree in the two places for the primary gatherings, the Steve can put together a tour for US boats leaving Anacortes / Deception Pass / Laconner. There might be two plans, one that crosses the border, one that doesn't. The cruise director for the Canadian club can do likewise for the Canadian boats that want a full week planned trip.
I'd make following the planned trip an option, and focus mainly on getting the boats to show up for the two main gatherings.
As I can attest to having arranged the trip in 2003 most of the stress around the whole thing is knowing who is joining when and where. Because of this I'd keep it loose and flexible so Steve doesn't have to be counting boats at every stop and wondering if someone is lost.
It's easy to reserve blocks of space in marinas, but once you get close most want to know exactly how many boats to expect so they don't have slips that go empty for the night. This isn't an issue if Stuart is one of the stops, but I'm sure we would need to be able to get a good count of boats for the nights at Ganges.
Perhaps for the other marina stops we should not attempt block reservations. Mid week you almost always find a marina will find a way to accomodate you, and as a last resort there is usually always a park nearby where you can anchor. I'll leave this all up to you.
I plan to just try an show up for the main events. I can help with itinerary planning, charts, etc if needed.
Once the details are firmed up I'll also coordinate with Bluewater Yachts and get the event on thrie cruising clubs calendar as well.
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VERSION 2.0
Fresh from the on line chat last night here is the current work up for the proposed trip. Please feel free to post your thoughts and ideas. There can be several starting points, but I am putting in at Anacortes.
July
22 Lv Anacortes, arrive at Deer Harbor
23 Lv Der Harbor, arrive at Stuart Island
24 Lay over at Stuart Island
25 Lv Stuart island, arrive at Roche ( Garrison Bay)
26 Lv Roche, arrive at Sidney (canada customs)
27 Lv Sidney, arrive at Fulford Harbor
28 Lv Fulford, arrive at Montague Harbor
29 Lv Montague, arrive at Ganges
30 Lay over at Ganges
31 Lv Ganges, arrive at Bedwell Harbor
AUGUST
1 Lv Bedwell, arrive at Friday Harbor (US customs)
2 Lv Friday, arrive at Anacortes
3 tow back to So Cal
This itinery allows for congregation on the weekends..at Stuart Island and the Ganges area for the market. You can see we will meet in USA and Canada. The time in btwn could be used for personal trips or come along with me!. As with the first version, please point out any problems, interesting destinations or pertinent local knowledge. I have not plotted this on a chart, only eyeballing relative sailing distances. Duane, what do you think? Thanks all, BK thanks for making me in charge!
Fresh from the on line chat last night here is the current work up for the proposed trip. Please feel free to post your thoughts and ideas. There can be several starting points, but I am putting in at Anacortes.
July
22 Lv Anacortes, arrive at Deer Harbor
23 Lv Der Harbor, arrive at Stuart Island
24 Lay over at Stuart Island
25 Lv Stuart island, arrive at Roche ( Garrison Bay)
26 Lv Roche, arrive at Sidney (canada customs)
27 Lv Sidney, arrive at Fulford Harbor
28 Lv Fulford, arrive at Montague Harbor
29 Lv Montague, arrive at Ganges
30 Lay over at Ganges
31 Lv Ganges, arrive at Bedwell Harbor
AUGUST
1 Lv Bedwell, arrive at Friday Harbor (US customs)
2 Lv Friday, arrive at Anacortes
3 tow back to So Cal
This itinery allows for congregation on the weekends..at Stuart Island and the Ganges area for the market. You can see we will meet in USA and Canada. The time in btwn could be used for personal trips or come along with me!. As with the first version, please point out any problems, interesting destinations or pertinent local knowledge. I have not plotted this on a chart, only eyeballing relative sailing distances. Duane, what do you think? Thanks all, BK thanks for making me in charge!
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Looks good Steve. I have a few comments.
In Sidney, which marina are you looking at? There is the Port of Sidney marina in Sidney Harbor, Van Isle Marina in Tshum Bay, or Canoe Cove Marina in Canoe Bay. All are considered Sidney, all have customs docks.
Likewise in Ganges there are three marina choices. I would think selecting and booking one there would be the first priority to make sure there is space for us on that weekend.
Are you planning to anchor out in Montague? Also what is the plan in Fulford?
Poets Cove in Bedwell doesn't have a lot of small boat space. If you are planning on staying there I would think you would need a block reservation. We really don't care much for it there. The shore side facilities are wonderful, but the docks were some of the worst we stayed at last summer our two weeks in Canada. They are really trying to be a mega yacht destination marina. Even with shore power they couldn't provide enough for some of the big boats and they ran their generators all night. We'd probably skip that an go to Otter Bay instead. Much more comfortable and un-pretentious place. You don't have to necessarily spend the night where the customs facilities are.
There is a separate Royal Vancouver Yacht club long float at Bedwell that went mostly empty. Maybe one of our Canadian friends can get us space there.
Is there a Canadian version of the itinerary?
Below is your list with some mileage info thrown in.
July 22 - Lv Anacortes, arrive at Deer Harbor , 15.5 Nm
July 23 - Lv Deer Harbor, arrive at Stuart Island, Note, this is a park with limited facilities, 9.09 Nm
July 24 - Lay over at Stuart Island
July 25 - Lv Stuart island, arrive at Roche (Garrison Bay), Note this is a park, for those wanting Marina facilities they are available at Roche Harbor , 6.52 Nm
July 26 - Lv Roche, arrive at Sidney , (Canada customs) , 11.9 Nm
July 27 - Lv Sidney, arrive at Fulford Harbor , 7.76 Nm
July 28 - Lv Fulford, arrive at Montague Harbor , 12.6 Nm
July 29 - Lv Montague, arrive at Ganges , 7.01 Nm
July 30 - Lay over at Ganges
July 31 - Lv Ganges, arrive at Bedwell Harbor , 13.9 Nm
August 1 - Lv Bedwell, arrive at Friday Harbor (US customs) , 16 Nm
August 2 - Lv Friday, arrive at Anacortes, 15.6 Nm
Here is a overview chart. It's also posted with more info at my web site. We can start to accumulate and post more info as it becomes available.
http://www.ddunn.org/Steve's%20Rendezvous.htm
In Sidney, which marina are you looking at? There is the Port of Sidney marina in Sidney Harbor, Van Isle Marina in Tshum Bay, or Canoe Cove Marina in Canoe Bay. All are considered Sidney, all have customs docks.
Likewise in Ganges there are three marina choices. I would think selecting and booking one there would be the first priority to make sure there is space for us on that weekend.
Are you planning to anchor out in Montague? Also what is the plan in Fulford?
Poets Cove in Bedwell doesn't have a lot of small boat space. If you are planning on staying there I would think you would need a block reservation. We really don't care much for it there. The shore side facilities are wonderful, but the docks were some of the worst we stayed at last summer our two weeks in Canada. They are really trying to be a mega yacht destination marina. Even with shore power they couldn't provide enough for some of the big boats and they ran their generators all night. We'd probably skip that an go to Otter Bay instead. Much more comfortable and un-pretentious place. You don't have to necessarily spend the night where the customs facilities are.
There is a separate Royal Vancouver Yacht club long float at Bedwell that went mostly empty. Maybe one of our Canadian friends can get us space there.
Is there a Canadian version of the itinerary?
Below is your list with some mileage info thrown in.
July 22 - Lv Anacortes, arrive at Deer Harbor , 15.5 Nm
July 23 - Lv Deer Harbor, arrive at Stuart Island, Note, this is a park with limited facilities, 9.09 Nm
July 24 - Lay over at Stuart Island
July 25 - Lv Stuart island, arrive at Roche (Garrison Bay), Note this is a park, for those wanting Marina facilities they are available at Roche Harbor , 6.52 Nm
July 26 - Lv Roche, arrive at Sidney , (Canada customs) , 11.9 Nm
July 27 - Lv Sidney, arrive at Fulford Harbor , 7.76 Nm
July 28 - Lv Fulford, arrive at Montague Harbor , 12.6 Nm
July 29 - Lv Montague, arrive at Ganges , 7.01 Nm
July 30 - Lay over at Ganges
July 31 - Lv Ganges, arrive at Bedwell Harbor , 13.9 Nm
August 1 - Lv Bedwell, arrive at Friday Harbor (US customs) , 16 Nm
August 2 - Lv Friday, arrive at Anacortes, 15.6 Nm
Here is a overview chart. It's also posted with more info at my web site. We can start to accumulate and post more info as it becomes available.
http://www.ddunn.org/Steve's%20Rendezvous.htm
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Steve, My family and I would enjoy being part of both the Stuart Island and Ganges weekend events. Looking foward to it...Paul T.
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Nice Work with the chart and preliminary nav data
Nice work Duane!
As you can see from Duane's work none of these legs are of any significance.
A Mac powering at pace can make most any of these hops in an hour or so. Those more interested in the journey than keeping their fuel supplier in business can sail any of these legs in way under 5 hours.
My point, find the nicest place to overnight because everything is close. Spend the day exploring either the islands themselves or just have fun with your boat.
Bedwell Harbour / Poet's Cove: My take on the place 'Don't stay there'. Even the provincial marine park just up the inlet is not a good place. Winds are often from the S and SE in this area and they blow right up that channel. Not nice. BUT the marine park has great day moorage and a wonderful trail up the mountain to a spot that allows you to see forever. You have to be in shape but if you are, its a great way to spend a 2 - 4 hours ashore.
From Bedwell its a short hop up to Otter Bay. It is not a good place to anchor due to ferry traffic wash but a very nice marina. Not much to do/see once your there. Trek the south then head up for the night.
Also from Bedwell its an equally short hop to Winter Cove, site of the Canada Day Lamb barbeque (sorry you're a month late). Good anchorage from nearly all weather, a public dock (no marina). The park there has great strolling trails with views across Georgia Strait to the North Shore Mountains and Mount Baker to the East. Beautiful! There is a nice bench so you can sit and watch the crazies zip through 'boat passage'. Great entertainment for any boater that has the Coast Guard Rescue number on his/her cell phone speed dial.
Just on the Georgia Strait side is another park with the best shellfood in the islands. Oops forget that its a secret nobody is supposed to know. Oh, yeah and there are dangerous currents out there (which is true).
Once your here nothing is very far away be prepared to explore in our longish summer days.
As you can see from Duane's work none of these legs are of any significance.
A Mac powering at pace can make most any of these hops in an hour or so. Those more interested in the journey than keeping their fuel supplier in business can sail any of these legs in way under 5 hours.
My point, find the nicest place to overnight because everything is close. Spend the day exploring either the islands themselves or just have fun with your boat.
Bedwell Harbour / Poet's Cove: My take on the place 'Don't stay there'. Even the provincial marine park just up the inlet is not a good place. Winds are often from the S and SE in this area and they blow right up that channel. Not nice. BUT the marine park has great day moorage and a wonderful trail up the mountain to a spot that allows you to see forever. You have to be in shape but if you are, its a great way to spend a 2 - 4 hours ashore.
From Bedwell its a short hop up to Otter Bay. It is not a good place to anchor due to ferry traffic wash but a very nice marina. Not much to do/see once your there. Trek the south then head up for the night.
Also from Bedwell its an equally short hop to Winter Cove, site of the Canada Day Lamb barbeque (sorry you're a month late). Good anchorage from nearly all weather, a public dock (no marina). The park there has great strolling trails with views across Georgia Strait to the North Shore Mountains and Mount Baker to the East. Beautiful! There is a nice bench so you can sit and watch the crazies zip through 'boat passage'. Great entertainment for any boater that has the Coast Guard Rescue number on his/her cell phone speed dial.
Just on the Georgia Strait side is another park with the best shellfood in the islands. Oops forget that its a secret nobody is supposed to know. Oh, yeah and there are dangerous currents out there (which is true).
Once your here nothing is very far away be prepared to explore in our longish summer days.
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I've always been interested in the outer islands along the strait. We really enjoyed Silva Bay up on Gabriola as well as Pirates Cove on De Courcy. Good to know about Winter Cove. How is Lyall Harbor on Saturna? I've heard Port Browning has recently been upgraded. How is it now? What about Whaler Bay on the outside of Galiano? Anywhere in the Secretary Islands you would recommend?