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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:52 am
by Dimitri-2000X-Tampa
Nice looking sail Frank. Have you raced anyone with stock sails and similar sailing skills? Would be interesting to know how much of a difference it made.
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:02 pm
by Frank C
Yeah, a pretty sail, eh?
Nah, never raced. But there would be so many other differences too ... mast rake, vang, outhaul, backstay ...
I can say this much though. The fastest speeds in my boat were in heavier winds with the jib and reefed main. The Genny just adds too much heel in heavier winds. Even when it is reefed, the clew rises on the forestay, so the wind force is higher in the rig.
Sail costs
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:10 pm
by Newell
Frank,
I also like how your genny looks. I think you have roller furling and I find it interesting that your sheet is under the railing. My 150 is sheeted over the railing with my cars forward. I have moved the sail down onto the furler drum as far as possible and still I have to sheet over the rail.
Re: Sail costs
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:32 am
by Frank C
Newell wrote:Frank,
I also like how your genny looks. I think you have roller furling and I find it interesting that your sheet is under the railing. My 150 is sheeted over the railing with my cars forward. I have moved the sail down onto the furler drum as far as possible and still I have to sheet over the rail.
The UK is a 135, not a 150. Also, it seems to be cut as a sweeper. Eric Lowe observed that it really needs a barberhauler to flatten-out the leech a touch. Trouble is that the BH block would need be mounted to the side of the hull!
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:39 am
by vatalon
Boy has this thread become confusing! First you ask about macgregorparts.com then it turns into a negative view of Havencraft (the dealership). First, I also have had no response from an order I placed on the macgregorparts site. No return on e-mail requests or on telephone messages. I will never order parts from them again! On to Havencraft. I do not know what the Boat Dealership is like now but I purchased my Mac 26X 01 from Otho Campbell when he was operating out of Richmond/Fredricksburg, Virginia (New Mallinium Sailboats). He treated me fine and was very helpful and responsive to any problems or questions I had befor or after my purchase. Don't assume it is a bad dealership because of one brokered boat. I have been to boatyards in Deltaville, Virginia and the brokered boats have run from pristine to junk. It is really up to the owner as to the condition of the boat that is up for sale.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:26 am
by Chip Hindes
vatalon wrote:It is really up to the owner as to the condition of the boat that is up for sale.
Yes, but sorry, there's absolutely no excuse for the broker to allow the boat to be misrepresented. It's worse if he contributes to the misrepresentaion himself. We're talking a 360 mile six hour round trip here, to find out that a boat which was represented by the broker as a "nice boat" is in fact a piece of junk.
There's no reason for a broker not to broker a junk boat, as long as he doesn't describe or allow it to be described by the owner as a "nice boat".
Please don't tell me a broker has no control over these matters. If the broker is not able to come to an agreement with the owner as to how the condition of the boat is to be represented, he can politely tell the owner to find another broker.
In fairness, it appears from the raft of favorable comments concerning Otho and Havencraft, the particular incident I'm describing is an abberration. The crappy condition of Paul's new M on delivery is a second abberration. Everybody is allowed an occasional abberration. As long as these remain abberrations, they (Havencraft) get the benefit of the doubt.
Regarding macgregorparts.com, it appears the rare occasion in which they actually do something right is the abberration.