Genoa Sunbrella add-on vs sock cover

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Terry wrote: I think it is an accident waiting to happen playing with the sock on bouncing seas. You have to add/remove the sock while tied at the slip. :D
Absolutely! But here's the problem. I'm out sailing and see the weather is turning bad so I furl it up and head back to the marina. By the time I get back there it's raining and I have to hoist that thing up in the rain. Ug.
Another typical experience with the sock: It falls overboard while hoisting. Oy, now I have a wet sock I'm hoisting up. Did I say how much I hate that sock?

We need to look at why we cover our sails.

http://www.sailingmates.com/sail%20care.htm
If you let it, the sun’s ultra violet radiation will cause more damage to your sails than anything else.
In my latitude, the sun shines 19 hours of sunlight in the summer and we have a mile less atmosphere to filter it. The sun here will bleach stuff out in no time. Covering my sails is important for UV more than dirt or salt. Although salt crystals can act like little saws to the fibers. Washing salt off is important.

A true trailer sailor that leaves his sails exposed for a couple of weeks isn't going to see much damage, but if I left my jib exposed all summer, I would expect to see some nasty damage.

But the sock is going away.

My sock (without sheets hanging out). It flaps like a flag. Maybe if I had a genoa it would "fill" it better.
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4 out of 5 sailors who hate the sail-cover sock don't like condoms either!! :P
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Russ how much do you want for your sock
PM me if you want it off your hands
RussMT wrote:
Crikey wrote:Does it impair performance?
It's a Mac, performance under sail isn't going to get much worse. I really doubt the sewn in cover makes much of a difference.
Does it add too much weight?
I've been told yes. However, I don't believe it. I've seen plenty of Macs with sewn in covers that have good shape.
Is there no cost advantage, regardless of ease of use?
I don't think I could hate my sock any more. Hauling that thing up while on a bouncing sea is dangerous. The reason for a roller furler is to keep my butt off the foredeck as much as possible.
My sock flaps in the wind like crazy. It scares me that it catches so much wind and flops around shaking the whole mast. I'm not going to furl more sheet around the sock. I did that once and the sock looked ridiculous and still flopped around at the top. Maybe the type of sock I have is the problem, but I hate the sock. When sailing, I have to store another cover in the precious storage space below.

Sure, it probably protects the sail better, but honestly I must be a spaz because it's not easy to hoist that thing up and zip it as it goes. I can do it alone, but it's really a two person job. Hold zipper with one hand, pull jib (sock) halyard with the other. Zipper pull tears from my fingers. Dang! Grab zipper again, pull with the other hand. Stop: New zipper section. Align zipper, pull zipper pull to get started, now grab halyard and pull next section up. All the way up? Good, now tie off halyard, tie bottom of sock down so it doesn't pull up. Walk back to cockpit and pull sheets tight. No problem.

I've had it for 4 seasons and this year I'm sending my jib out to have the sunbrella cover sewn into it.

Oh yea, pet peeve: If you have a roller furler, please roll a few wraps of sheets around it to keep the tail secure from catching the wind.

Did I say how much I hate my sail cover sock?
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It just dawns on me that the sewn-on add-on doesn't add any more to the overall area of the sail. Otherwise you would have to re-locate the head, and foot attachment points of the fabric. Correct me if I'm wrong - but it's simply folded over and sewn along the existing edge of the fabric. Surely there's much lighter skeins of sunbrella (or its equivalent) than the stuff we use for our Bimini's that would fit this bill and not add that much extra weight?
Gater - you operate in the land of UV deprived overcast. Why do you feel you need the extra protection? :o

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The cover is sewed onto the sail and only one side from my understanding.
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I originally thought about the convenience of the sewn in, but was advised by byw not to as the sunbrella ages differently than the sail cloth and can cause the sail to deform over time...how much time, i don't know.

At the dock the wind can whip the sock around to the point where you think its gonna leave you and the boat and take the mast and rigging with it, but I'm gonna try twisting it, makes sense. I only left the sock on once while on the water, when i went to change fuel tanks then the engine wouldn't start...with a 3 kt current pushing us into a very rocky shore. Since then I never leave the dock without the sails ready to go, lines tie themselves in knots, zippers stick and absolutely nothing works when you need it to. There was only a very light breeze but it was enough to get some forward momentum and fix the engine.
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Being stuck in a tight place, without a sock - can be a hard time too! :P
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:wink:
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yukonbob wrote:I originally thought about the convenience of the sewn in, but was advised by byw not to as the sunbrella ages differently than the sail cloth and can cause the sail to deform over time...how much time, i don't know.
I bout my boat and sock from BWY. Cheryl and Todd are great folks to work with and they believe in the sock.
I no longer do. So for the most part, BWY has done me well with their advise until the sock.

My Hunter 34 had a sunbrella cover sewn into the jenny and it was 20 years old and looked great. I never had a lick of trouble with that sail. The furler jammed up a couple of times until I replaced it, but the sail looked great with the sunbrella protection.

So, do what you will, but I hate the sock. Have I mentioned how much I hate the sock?
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I am in Central Florida. I have the sewn-on Sunbrella sail cover on both my jib and Genoa. I mainly use the jib, and the boat is usually in a slip in fresh water. I have found that choice to be preferable for me. I do have the sock, but found it time consuming and a little tedious to put up even in port because I am usually a little tired after a sail and being out in the sun. Being able to have the sail covered and furled at the same time is very convenient. I have had to have the jib cover re-sewn once in the eight years I have had the boat, but that doesn't bother me that much. I used Doyle for all the work. I use the sock to wrap around the furled jib and mast when stowing on the trailer for the added protection. It doesn't zip all the way up, but it does zip enough in each third to stay in place. I had much rather protect my sails so that I, hopefully, never have to deal with a blowout. I would hope that the only reason I would replace a sail would be because it has stretched out of shape or has become soiled in some way. I, personally, would have a hard time thinking of a sail as a "disposable" item.
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davidbourne wrote:Are these options a must-have have, or am I right to assume you really need these if your sails are exposed often? Like if you slip your boat and leave the sails rigged?

Highlander, nice dual sails. Your boat is the first I've seen to have that setup. Do they work well? They look awesome.
I have no issues with weight of the sumbella on two head sails & or with sail shape
http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 0_2494.mp4

I had later installed 7FT genny track on the cabin roof top & moved my genny carrs their for my geeny sheets for better genny sail shape
http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee20 ... 010093.mp4

http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010090.mp4

http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010088.mp4

http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010091.mp4

in some of these vids u will see close ups of the sumbrella in the head sails enjoy

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Anyone ever think of fabbing a sock from a cheap tarp or duck cloth?
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I had the jib sock for my first five years, and it does flap like crazy in the wind, which makes me wonder if there is some chafing going on underneath. I also had my forestay fail near the top thimble in high winds while docked 2 years ago, and I believe the constant vibration caused by the sock over the years may have weakened it, and certainly the extra drag and flapping/tugging in the high winds (around 50 kts) may have contributed to the failure. Not a pleasant site to see the mast laying over aft and bent. Even without this, the sock was a PITA every time out and in. Since the failure, I had uv protection sewn on my genoa, it is so much easier to launch and it is one less thing to mess with when finished, it does not flap, and as best I can tell, performance was not affected at all.

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Catigale wrote:Anyone ever think of fabbing a sock from a cheap tarp or duck cloth?
Well u could buy 6 prs of black silk nylons & stitch them all together & have the sexiest boat at a slip !! :D :D :D

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Catigale wrote:Anyone ever think of fabbing a sock from a cheap tarp or duck cloth?
I'm all for Yankee Engineering... uhm, NO!
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