Here's a sneak peak at roger's new 70 foot yacht.

[kmclemore]

A gentle reminder to keep it civil, folks.

[BOAT]

Yeah I hear you but I just don't agree. 22K plus a 6k motor is still less than 29K. Even with sails it's still under 30k

The Hunter boat (the edge) is 33 grand before you even put a motor on it!!! The MAC is a WAY better value than the Hunter on the trailer boats.

A lot of you guys here on the website have the same problem that a lot of guys I used to sail with have. They only sailed boats in a slip - to them anything else was a hassle. I sailed like that and have had many friends who had also but I learned a LONG LONG time ago when i was quite young about what SAILING is all about to SAILORS. When I was in the Aquarius club, about HALF of all the folks we sailed with STILL HAD BIGGER BOATS IN SLIPS!! They used them, but wanted to have more FUN! I have met a LOT of guys (who have money I must add) that have more than one boat and tend to keep a trailer boat around. My own brother is a power boat guy and on the lakes in Minn where he's at he has all those fancy boats in slings and boat houses that raise them out of the water and tucked around behind the garage is a trailer boat.

Compare . . TRAILER boat to trailer boat and I really doubt your going to get much more value. What you got in the MAC was the experiance, testing, trials and errors, and volume puchasing power of all those guys before us that bought MACs way back in the "olden days" and paid for all the machining and features that WE are enjoying because of THIER purchases, (back when the MAC cost MORE than the Aquarious and other boats - back then they called it a VENTURE.

Don't fool yourself, and don't fall for the flashy hype. A boat is a boat.

[BOAT]

Right on Comrad Klemore, I will behave.

[DaveB]

I saw a 2012 26MacM with a Yamaha 70 on it in Port Charolette, FL. this past weekend. Was a Black hull and was brought down from Georga were owner had to go back up North .
The boat appeared stock and I could clearly see the roven glass in the black hull.(asking price $36,000).
The Head just came from the old Sailing ships that when you needed to due your duty you went to the head of the ship. Thus the HEAD.
Dave

Comparing a 34 foot boat with a 26 foot boat - yeah, that's really equivalent. Can you even FIND a 26 foot boat that has a resale value as high as the MAC?

[Ixneigh]

Resale value.
these boats are so economical that most figure why buy used? Five year old motor, out dated electronics..
maybe some unwanted mods...your used boat has to be cheap to compete. I bet Roger planned things that way. The mac doesn't age well... Spider webs stress cracks. Faded gel coat. These boats tend to be actually used, sometimes a lot. Unlike many larger boats. That means wear and tear. I have about 36 thousand in mine with a few nice mode and minor structural improvements that mean a lot to me but probably not bupkus to the next guy. I hav no electronics worth mentioning and no refrigeration. Few used buyers will appreciate the fact that I filed every sharp edge off all the metal work. They will do that on their new boat only after slicing a thumb on a screwhead with a razor sharp burr on it. Or skinning their knuckle on the metal supports of the cabin ladder. They won't notice the mast track gate it took hours to make. They might just toss out the custom transom corner ladder I made to make room for a stern seat or two. I've bought and sold enough boats to know that resale sucks on all of them. The r o I is the time spent on it.
Ix

[Russ]

The Hunter boat (the edge) is 33 grand before you even put a motor on it!!! The MAC is a WAY better value than the Hunter on the trailer boats.

Agreed. I still think the Mac is an exceptional value and at a price point that allows many of us to get into a lot of boat. Nothing compares to this class boat (powersailer). Hunter tried and haven't penetrated the market. Tattoo will continue the hull.

I find the advertised price similar to a car dealer selling you a car without an engine and tires. It sucks the buyer in. Although I'm glad Roger didn't force us to use his preferred motor. That allows many configurations such as my Suzi 70. And I suppose it also allows us to choose a headsail that fits our needs. It even allows bolt rope mains for those who prefer them. So maybe it's not a bad idea. We're all adults and can read the full brochure.

The point I originally was making was that many feel the cheesy marketing affects resale value of used boats. Of course that could be highly debated and it's not something measurable so we'll never know. Of course new Macs sell themselves with the design and pricepoint. You simply can't buy this much boat for $40k anywhere so the boats sell as fast as Roger could build 'em. Good marketing allows a manufacturer to charge more and therefore have more profit. I'm glad that wasn't the case with my boat.

You mentioned several boats that are out of business. Therefore it says something that Roger retired selling every boat that left the factory. The 70 will be well received as well.

[Russ]

The Head just came from the old Sailing ships that when you needed to due your duty you went to the head of the ship. Thus the HEAD.

Yep.

In sailing ships the toilet was placed in the bow for two reasons. First, since most vessels of the era could not sail directly into the wind, the winds came mostly across the rear of the ship placing the head essentially downwind. Secondly, if placed somewhat above the water line, vents or slots cut near the floor level would allow normal wave action to wash out the facility

[Russ]

Resale value.
these boats are so economical that most figure why buy used? Five year old motor, out dated electronics..
maybe some unwanted mods...your used boat has to be cheap to compete. I bet Roger planned things that way. The mac doesn't age well... Spider webs stress cracks. Faded gel coat. These boats tend to be actually used, sometimes a lot. Unlike many larger boats. That means wear and tear. I have about 36 thousand in mine with a few nice mode and minor structural improvements that mean a lot to me but probably not bupkus to the next guy. I hav no electronics worth mentioning and no refrigeration. Few used buyers will appreciate the fact that I filed every sharp edge off all the metal work. They will do that on their new boat only after slicing a thumb on a screwhead with a razor sharp burr on it. Or skinning their knuckle on the metal supports of the cabin ladder. They won't notice the mast track gate it took hours to make. They might just toss out the custom transom corner ladder I made to make room for a stern seat or two. I've bought and sold enough boats to know that resale sucks on all of them. The r o I is the time spent on it.
Ix

Very interesting post. I think you have it figured out. That is EXACTLY why I bout my Mac new instead of used. Of course it's a different game now, can't buy new, so resale values may go up depending on the success of tattoo line.
And as "BOAT" pointed out, when you start at a relatively low price point, even 50% depreciation isn't a lot of loss.

BTW, I bought a mast track gate from BWYs and I think it was $10. Their parts are very reasonable.

[BOAT]

Yeah, it's not a bathroom, I get that. I have apologized here quite a bit for not using the right language. It's problem I have had for a LONG time. It's really funny though how the moment I step on a boat all that language just flows out of me like I was 15 years old again. The first time I took my wife out on 'boat' she had to scold me. When we got to the dock she said "what's with you?? It's like your speaking a different language! How the hull am I supposed to know what to do if you don't talk to me in English!?!?"

Yup, the one thing that gets me into more trouble than anything else is my mouth.

As for everything you folks said about the Hunter I agree with you that is a great boat - In fact I will say all those boats mention are even BETTER than the MAC. I was not trying to say the MAC is BETTER, just cheaper to own and operate. And I also agree that the marketing is VERY cheezy.

[Russ]

It's really funny though how the moment I step on a boat all that language just flows out of me like I was 15 years old again. The first time I took my wife out on 'boat' she had to scold me. When we got to the dock she said "what's with you?? It's like your speaking a different language! How the hull am I supposed to know what to do if you don't talk to me in English!?!?"

Funny how that works.

Someone posted a "translator card" for guests on a boat with boat terminology. My wife gets after me also for calling things by nautical terms. Recently I referred to the dinghy painter. She laughed and said, "Is that really what it's called? You're making that up aren't you?"

[BOAT]

Yeah, even I got a little confused when sailing with Mike Inmon because I did not know where the rigging was anymore.

[Divecoz]

Yes gents as I read it, we all agree The Mac's are good quality entry level one of a kind hybrid power-sailors.. Priced and equipped in such a manner that they are truly affordable for working class people. You do not have to have a slip and slips it appears can run from $750 a season to almost that per month.. Yep almost that Per Month! I bought my boat ready to sail with a 50HP Merc BF for around $27K and then as time and money allowed I added to it and continue to do so, to this day.. 7 Years Later.
My wife never so much as blinked an eye at writing that first check and most the rest have been for hundreds not thousands and she has never said a word. Yes I believe I have around $40K in Wind Wine & Song now.. and we are contemplating about $3500 more this summer.. Over time and many many days of fun sailing and even a short live aboard Vaca.. She has GROWN...to Love Our Boat.. But if ? If I had said I found a boat and Its $57,000.00 and it too needs a couple Thousand in this and that? Humm I am thinking we wouldn't own a sailboat. I and others here, have been through some pretty nasty weather with these boats and for me? Nothing failed but my bladder Upkeep sheemupkeep They ALL need / require upkeep and a lot of them require more than ours.. Its only 26 feet long and you can often park it at home.. I now live in SWF and I see a lot of boats.. I see a lot of sailboats that never leave the dock ( mostly bigger boats ) .. and when I was at North Point Marine , one of the largest freshwater Marinas in the world, I saw a lot of big boats power and sailboats that seldom ever left the slip.. Ours was out often.. a " friend" had a Beautiful Seaward 34 (?) Its a Trailer Sailor too but it required a HUGE Dually Diesel to tow it.. I believe a few members here tow with Mini Vans..
In My Life ... I have seen Dreamers and Do-ers / Have -ers.. I could dream.... about owning a Seaward but I Own & SAIL a Macgregor...
When the time comes I will sell her.. If I lose half its half of what? Its Found money ..

[kmclemore]

Right on Comrad Klemore, I will behave.

Not pointing fingers... the message was to everyone.

[BOAT]

Well, I just assumed . .

[Divecoz]

Hahaha hey there was a rather new member who made a political point or two rather early on.... I assume he has possibly recieved a PM warning..Thats long gone on this board.. No Pooping in the sand box...

Well, I just assumed . .