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Re: About "firsts"...

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JotaErre wrote:But the :macx: was the first boat to combine so many different features that, previously nobody thought they could fit in just one boat: a sailboat, a powerboat, a practical cabin, trailerable and affordable. I think Roger MacGregor can be proud of it.
Don't let's forget that two of them can be shipped in a standard, 40" shipping container.

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Re: something interresting

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The trailerable aspect of a boat that can really be used for a weekend with family of four is important.

You don't need a tow beast unless you are going long distances, and a family of four will have a minivan most probably. Bingo....boat without tow beast

It's not arguable he got a bunch of things right..he was certainly the only one who survived solo in this market.
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Re: something interresting

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what is the tow capacity of the mini vans- in general. not being a smarty pants- i just dont know!
these bigger vehicles are all new to me!!
but you are right, the fact that they are lighter, and easier to handle, is a good attribute!
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A Minivan like a Kia Sedona has a tow capacity of 5,000 lbs. - plenty for the occasional tow. In fact I had an after-market heavy duty tow package put on for fairly little.

I think one of the attractions of the Mac 26x/M is the "swiss army knife" approach - they can do a lot of things. 8)
Wayne nicol wrote:what is the tow capacity of the mini vans- in general. not being a smarty pants- i just dont know!
these bigger vehicles are all new to me!!
but you are right, the fact that they are lighter, and easier to handle, is a good attribute!
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Re: something interresting

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Wayne nicol wrote: i do know though, that the deciding factor for buying my beautiful :macm: was not the car tow deal, but rather the boats other characteristics.
I hear these rationalizations all the time, but the bottom line is that if the MAC26M was not trailer-able I doubt 70% of you would have bought it.

For all of you that think the MAC26M should be bigger I ask: "If the MAC26M required a slip would you all have still bought it?"
I doubt it. Why compromise the size if your not putting it on a trailer? The trailer feature IS the main feature. Take that away and you can change the whole boat dramatically to do a myriad of other things that traditional sailboats do. The whole concept of the trailer moves the customer base from the yacht club to the average Joe. Most people that slip a boat can afford a LOT more than a MAC, so guess what? They BUY a lot more! It's just a fact, if you can afford a slip you probably can afford more boat.

The people I listen to are the people that CAN afford more boat, yet they buy the MAC! There are a LOT of those types here on this blog site too, and also many people that do have big boats in slips, yet they still own a MAC too! I think they know something. I think Roger figured that out too - his dock in front of his house has a 70 foot boat on one side of the dock, and a black 26M on the other side.

If you are so bent on having 2 or 3 more feet of length and you have to pay to slip it anyways then why limit yourself to only 2 or 3 feet?? (It makes no sense). Do it right like a Catalina 29 with a good 10 foot beam! (But just TRY to get that on a trailer!)

Face it, OVER 50% of the design appeal of the MAC is the trailer-ability, and the other 40% is probably it's ability to plane at 20 MPH under power. If you want just a well performing sailboat on a trailer the MacGregor D boats are a good option, (maybe the best) - very fast under sail. But if you want power performance AND sailing the M boat is the only thing out there period and anything bigger is not going on a trailer pulled by anything less than a big rig.

The Potter is a good trailer boat, but no power boat option and it's small. It's better built, but why has the MAC outsold it 100 to 1? The trailer-able Beneteau sailboats really have only one feature over a MAC, the name: BENETEAU, but if your so hung up on a brand name you probably should bite the bullet and join the yacht club crowd, (although they will never accept you even in a BENETEAU because it's on a TRAILER!). Even the Benetea people say that boat is a prostitution of the company name.

There were SO many great trailer boats out there - what happened to all of them? I know, I used to have one of the 'other' boats and I can tell you why they failed and the MAC replaced them all. I like the honesty of the MAC - they don't claim to be some great PAC cruising high performance sailboat for the regatta crowd. Accepting the mantle of "Trailer Sailor" is part and parcel of the ownership bestowed on every buyer. They make no bones about it. The MAC does not claim or try to be anything other than what it is.

Trying to run away from the trailer legacy of the MAC is an embarrassment to the whole design and also questions your buying choice, one would need ask, "why make all those design compromises if it were not going to be on a trailer in the first place??"

It makes no sense.
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I might be in the minority, but I chose my :macx: for the right-sized, single-handed, wheel-steering-power-optioned, right-priced-edness. I keep a slip so I can get out on the water at a moment's notice. I couldn't justify a loan for a toy, even though I'm single, so I saved and searched and waited until everything aligned. I'm glad I did. Paying cash helped negotiate price. I got what I wanted, and didn't have to put myself out to do it. The trailerabily is a bonus, but not my driving force. All the sailors and boaters wave and talk. I don't seem to run into much of a yacht club mentality around here on the Hudson. It might be here, but I might be having too much fun to notice. Stay Calm, Mac On. 8)
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BOAT wrote:For all of you that think the MAC26M should be bigger I ask: "If the MAC26M required a slip would you all have still bought it?"
I doubt it. Why compromise the size if your not putting it on a trailer? The trailer feature IS the main feature. Take that away and you can change the whole boat dramatically to do a myriad of other things that traditional sailboats do. The whole concept of the trailer moves the customer base from the yacht club to the average Joe. Most people that slip a boat can afford a LOT more than a MAC, so guess what? They BUY a lot more! It's just a fact, if you can afford a slip you probably can afford more boat.
Yes and Yes! :P We do slip, and we could have bought a bigger boat for cheaper, and we could have trailered it to and from harbour (once each a year), but the versatility of the mac can't be beat for what we use it for, for now. For now we still have to work the winters so no heading south (yet) and no point in paying for a year round slip or dry dock, just a bonus in my mind. Had the option of a MAc not been available, we would still have a sailboat.

As for the "why not go even bigger than two or three feet"? When you go over 37-40 it becomes very difficult to find moorage, temporary or permanent. And if you do manage to find moorage, a lot of time harbours won't move larger boats around without the owner present or doing the moving them selves; Which can make for some last minute trips or and angry harbour master. And absolutely on the beam, 35 ft LOA with 10 minimum on the beam…"insert drooling emoticon here"
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Re: something interresting

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very right about the trailerabilty Boat- i hear you, 8) however your initial point was that it was trailerable with an average family sedan,and because of that fact alone people were buying it in the numbers. and i know now that that is a marketing misnomer- because it takes a very specific model of family sized sedan to meet the tow requirements.
but good points about it being generally trailerable is a large attribute :) - however i will say again- my intent is to have a larger boat that still affords me ALL of the mac advantages- it will be around 5000 lbs, and will be 32' by 10' and will still be a water ballasted high speed /planing motor sailor.
i want a shower, i want more "cabinish" type accommodations, i want a locker to store wet gear/ dive suits etc. and i want a more spacious cockpit. i want a pilothouse, and the option to tiller steer when sailing.- plus a whole bunch more!!
it will still be EASILY trailerable, so no slip fees!

yup i want my apple and i want to eat it.- i want all the advantages of a mac- just more!!
we dont have the trailering restraints or complications here that others might have!!

this is not just a pipe dream, the initial concept drawings have gone to the NA, and the process is underway!!

maybe my boat will be done by the time you start heading south YB. you will have to stop in here on your way past :D
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:D
For all of you that think the MAC26M should be bigger I ask: "If the MAC26M required a slip would you all have still bought it?"
I doubt it. Why compromise the size if your not putting it on a trailer? The trailer feature IS the main feature. Take that away and you can change the whole boat dramatically to do a myriad of other things that traditional sailboats do. The whole concept of the trailer moves the customer base from the yacht club to the average Joe. Most people that slip a boat can afford a LOT more than a MAC, so guess what? They BUY a lot more! It's just a fact, if you can afford a slip you probably can afford more boat.
Of course the macs have it exactly right they are not over priced, optioned or over anything else they are a perfect base or blank canvas and fit more options than any other boat in the world even the Mackman 28, any changes make that boat (larger copy of the :macx: ) suit a more specific market and therefore not as versatile as the macs which can be added to to make them the equal or better than any better optioned boat in most respects.
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Re: something interresting

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I do agree whole heatedly BL , they are perfectly versatile, servicing a larger sector of the market than any other boat 8) . And exactly like you said, when you change it, it becomes a more specific boat, with a way smaller segment of the market available for sales.
I have a liscence to run guided tours in a very unique marine park/world heritage site up here, hence the specific needs for a very specific boat, I hope to build 4 or5 of these boats in the future,to meet my annual quota, if all goes well :!: if not, then at the very least I will at least have a great personal boat!! :D :D

You know what's awesome, is how amazing it is to see how very passionate everyone is about their boats, and not disparaging about other boats. Better than some of the other boatie forums out there :?
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Wayne nicol wrote:I do agree whole heatedly BL , they are perfectly versatile, servicing a larger sector of the market than any other boat 8) . And exactly like you said, when you change it, it becomes a more specific boat, with a way smaller segment of the market available for sales.
I have a liscence to run guided tours in a very unique marine park/world heritage site up here, hence the specific needs for a very specific boat, I hope to build 4 or5 of these boats in the future,to meet my annual quota, if all goes well :!: if not, then at the very least I will at least have a great personal boat!! :D :D

You know what's awesome, is how amazing it is to see how very passionate everyone is about their boats, and not disparaging about other boats. Better than some of the other boatie forums out there :?
That last sentence says it all Wayne - my wife and I researched yachts/boats for two years before buying our Mac 26 a month ago. This is our first water going vessel ever and we are absolutely new at sailing. Most of the forums I visited had some quite insulting and attacking posts on many issues which gives the forum a bad taste - but this forum is friendly, informative and helpful - a great advertisement for Macs/Tats and their owners. Well done to all.
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We would love to claim it's the great moderators here, but the reality is that un gentleman/ladylike behaviour isn't tolerated by the users here and those looking to bash others and pontificate go elsewhere.

Please keep this up... 8)
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You are too modest a moderator, Cat. The attraction is that the moderators here are much better "puntificators" than elsewhere! :D

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”puntificators”

Aren't those the people who spend too much time discussing the extra point after a touch down :?: :P :D
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One who tows a punt behind a Mac??
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