Opinions on different Head Sails ( Jib or Genoa and other options)

[Highlander]

Hi Sheppie
What,s ur average winds u go sailing in ?

Here,s a simple bowsprit/anchor roller that attaches to the boat at 3 points the top deck mounts clamp-on to the existing front pulpit forward stanchions & the hull mount attaches a 7/8" S/S fixed bobstay strut to the bow just above the rake line about 1/3% up from the Bow eye & this is a pic of it installed on an



this is a very nice looking simple unit but beware the anchor roller is only designed for anchor storage not for using as a anchoring point u would have to tie off the anchor line to the bow cleats & snubber to the bow eye that way if the weather picks up " no worries"

On a side note if I went with something like this I,d likely b adding 7/8" S/S fixed whisker stay struts about 1/3 back from the anchor roller to say just below the black stripe below the forward pulpit stanchions with say 3" alum flat bar bent into an L shaped configuration to go around the deck joint for backing plates so as to b attached to the pulpit front stanchions bases & then down to the hull whisker attachment thus relieving the stress totally from the deck joint so as the deck & hull structure r now sharing the load NOT the deck joint "think like bulkhead structures" & as u would already b in that area inside the cabin bow why not as u r already there ! another note also on the hull u will want to install plastic cutting board between the the hull & the L shaped backing plates
so I,ll wait for ur response regarding ur usual sailing

J

[Sheppie62]

I’d say 7-10 mph is preferable. Wind here typically is very light in the mornings 0-3mph and increases to 7-14 in afternoon. We sail in the ocean when it’s 7-10 , and if it’s more windy 10+ we sail in mission bay (has some wind protection from buildings)

[Highlander]

I’d say 7-10 mph is preferable. Wind here typically is very light in the mornings 0-3mph and increases to 7-14 in afternoon. We sail in the ocean when it’s 7-10 , and if it’s more windy 10+ we sail in mission bay (has some wind protection from buildings)

I called the Generator sail comp. left a mess. asking for the measurements Luff/Leech/foot for the 26M 165% Generator & sq ft they have not yet got back to me , I think they r in the process of moving to a new location according to their Web site
I also want to know if it can b flown from a profurl Nex 0.9 bottom -up Code Zero furler I,m pretty sure it can & as my Genny furler is approx 18" higher up the mast on it.s own mast hound & 3ft out further on the bowsprit in front than the jib furler , this would allow me to fly a bigger Generator
To answer ur previous question
their r 4 furled head sails mounted on that pic #1 Drifter Spin, #2 150% Genny #3 100% Jib #4 Storm Jib all mounted on furlers

J

[Sheppie62]

Saw this on eBay what goes between top and bottom? Non twisting cable?

[PSNA]

To use this furler, you would have a sailmaker build the headsail with a twisted wire that runs inside the luff of the sail. It exists at the tack and head with swaged "eyes". You simply attach the sail to the shackles and off you go.

[Sheppie62]

I’m still a bit confused is the blue shark furler only for a code zero type of sail (luff of sail fully attached to the furler cable). I want a asymmetrical spinnaker without the leading edge (luff) attached to the cable. Would this be the correct cable to use, or is there other types.

[PSNA]

You are going to need something inside or outside of the sail that will allow a spinnaker, gennaker, or code zero to furl around it.

There are a couple of sailmakers that just started selling a "cableless" code zero. It eliminates the need for a cable by using carbon (woven in) to reinforce the luff of the sail.

They just popped up about a year ago and are undergoing testing on several of the maxi racing yachts. These are sophisticated sails, and the cost is outrageous.

[Highlander]

Sheppie

Here,s how my boat is rigged for 4 furling sails hope this helps u understand the rigging process a little better



So u seem to b jumping back & forth between Code Zeros , Generators/ Drifters & Gennaker & Spinnakers !

Think of Code Zero as a 165% to 185% flat cut Genny either 3/4 or 1.5Oz spinnaker cloth ur choice I,d opt for the 1.5Oz stronger more durable will last longer and u will b able to keep it up longer as the winds get stronger to a certain point , the flatter the code O the more u should b able to point into the wind if u get one with more depth "less flatter" u will lose some of that upwind ability .

Now think of the Generator as the same cut and shape as ur Genny but instead of 5oz or heavier sail cloth it can b 3/4oz or 1.5oz great for light winds where as ur genny 5oz would b just flapping if the wind is not strong enough to fill it
now these two sails can b flown free if u want to use a shoot scoop but with a straight luff can b used with a Code 0 bottom up Furler

Where as Gennakers & Spinnakers can b any size size from 250sq ft to 350sq ft & 3/4 to 1.5oz spin cloth usually flown free with or with-out a sock or a top down spinnaker furler of ur choice & require a torsion line

So back to head sails
Standard 150% Genny 206sq ft

Code Zero 185% very powerful Approx 284sq ft, 165% a little less power 237sq ft if u stay with the original Luff length u can also add another mast hound 12" above the jib mast hound on an 18" above on an & fly it higher of the deck too catch more air , if u go longer luff on the sail the sail will b bigger . Code Zero will b more expensive $$$$

Generator/Drifter 165% powerful Approx 237sq ft approx 2/3 rds the size of a 350sq ft cruising spinnaker , 150% less powerful same sq ft as ur standard Genny at 206sq ft. this sail can b flown free with or with-out a sock or on a Code Zero bottom up furler . Generator is a lot cheaper the cost $$, Drifters u,d have to price, FYI a flat cut Generator & Drifter r basically the same sail Altho it looks like the Peak sail Generator has more re-enforced Head , Tack & clew ?


On a note I talked to Chris Stevens this morning from Peak Sails in Florida he told me he usually suggests the 150% Generator for the & because of their lightness of the boats & some sailors lack of experience after I told him about boats cutter rig he said he,ll make me one as big as I want

Also he suggested adding dyneema line to the luff at no extra cost for better sail shape if using a Code Zero bottom up furler

FYI they have the Generator on sale right 9% discount & up to 20% discount on other sails plus free shipping right now ! until May 22nd 2022
so I,m getting a quote on a 1.5Oz Generator 185% LP

Sheppie
Thats a nice deal on that Blueshark Code Zero furler just so as u know 2502/2503 is a code zero bottom up furler & the 2502E/2503 is a top down Genaker/Spinnaker furler for $60. more, only has a 4" furling drum I,d prefer something around 5" drum like the profurl Nex 0.9 but at twice the cost bigger drum means easier furling . I see the 2504/2505 is almost 5" furling drum from $570.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325113363504?_ ... 101224.m-1

I,ll let u all know what the price will b for my bigger generator & what size I decide to go with gotta head down to the boat & take some measure ments

J
PS I had to edit this as I mistakenly classified the drifter in with the Gennaker/Spinnaker class where as it should be classified in with the Generator/Drifter as it is basically the same sail ! I already have a 300sq ft Drifter but it is not fully flat cut has a slightly curved Luff & small belly so can't point as high as a flat cut Generator/Drifter I had it custom made for my so I was not selling it with the I kept it for my along with my Storm sail which I can use as a Staysil along with my storm sail on my think running two storm sails close to the deck cutter rigged I know I,m possessed 6 head sails

J

[Sheppie62]

That Generator is very interesting what degrees of sail is it for? I looked it didn’t say on peak website. So Selden also makes a smaller furler GX7.5 sounds like that’s too small. I wanted to combine a 100% jib and a asymmetrical spinnaker to fill the most points of sail, how well will a Generator go down wind? San Diego does have light wind a lot (especially summer).,

[Sheppie62]

I posted the wrong furler above, this one is for spinnaker

[Highlander]

I posted the wrong furler above, this one is for spinnaker

Sheppie
The Generator and Drifter r upwind sails the can b flown from . Its wind range is from 1-15 knots when the apparent wind angle is 30-90 degrees.

yes I think that,s the one I,d get for $60 more u r getting a top down furler which is better if u go for a gennaker sail , but remember the next size up has a bigger drum size so would b easier to furl in a breeze
Have u made any decisions yet as to how u will go ! down wind gennaker/Spinnaker or upwind code zero , drifter/generator

I wonder if anyone on here has had any knowledge or used or knows someone who used or has one of these furlers some feed back would b nice , likely no service or parts replacement down the road for these units at their price point ?

J

[Sheppie62]

I am not committed to getting that particular brand, if the selden brand is close in price then I’d go that way. So how important is the furler drum size? The original FF2 furler is quite small. Will a spinnaker/ genorator be a lot harder to reel in? Seems if it’s too big it would make it slow. Could this tool be useful (see pictures)? Regarding using a spinnaker vs genorator. Would I still have good downwind ability with the Genorator ? I’m all for a sail for light wind that can go upwind and down wind well. I have a whisker pole already. Would a 100% jib and genorator be a good combination? As San Diego has some very light wind days,

[Ixneigh]

Ehhhh. Just give me the standard hank on jib, and a few other smaller ones.
Ix

[Highlander]

Ehhhh. Just give me the standard hank on jib, and a few other smaller ones.
Ix

U mean like this



J

[Sheppie62]

Highlander did you ever get a price on the Custom Generator sail? I’m thinking about the 165 size, how far forward is necessary for sail to clear the bow railing, is that the biggest concern?