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Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:45 am
by Québec 1
Highlander
Highlander wrote: The sad thing is that $astard Q1 bertrand has been holding out on us all :evil: . But the secrets out now ! :D :wink:

J
If you like a nice red wine with dinner and have less than 10$ in your pocket try this Portuguese bottle at the SAQ . ( Vila Regia Douro 2005) I'll be getting a case next week, it is a very light dry red with a fine aftertaste. If it was French they would charge double I'm sure.
Q1 :macm:

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:47 am
by Terry
Sea Striker wrote:Leon had wrote " Once you get all the cheap stock hardware replaced"

Anyone care to make a list?

Eri
Perhaps he meant new hardware added???
I only replaced the forestay because a new roller furler dictated it. Some folks replace the shroud chainplates with turnbuckles. The newer Macs '09+ will have to have the plastic winches replaced. Not sure sails are hardware but they need replacing after a few seasons.
For the most part there is a fair amount of optional hardware to add depending on what you want to do.
As for a list, well that would be pretty long. :o

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:42 am
by KayakDan
J[/quote]
If you like a nice red wine with dinner and have less than 10$ in your pocket try this Portuguese bottle at the SAQ . ( Vila Regia Douro 2005) I'll be getting a case next week, it is a very light dry red with a fine aftertaste. If it was French they would charge double I'm sure.
Q1 :macm:[/quote]

It's ok John,
I'll go up in two weeks and drink enough of his Portugese wine to get even for you! :wink:

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:10 pm
by delevi
OK.. hardware list:
I still have the original jib & genny tracks & cars and all original standing rigging, though I replaced a couple of spreaders, bent one running it into a tree near the launch ramp and bent one about a year later while rigging. Also some forestay changes, see list below.

I. lifelines and pelican hooks. Couldn't stand the stock pelican hooks, they would constantly open (dangerous.) Original lifelines frayed at the stanchion hole inserts after about 2 years. I now have have 3/8" rope lifelines outside the cockpit. I like these more than wire (much better to hold on to.) The cockpit lifelines are 1/4" steel cable coated in white rubber, also much nicer to hang on to. Pelican hooks don't open bythemselves.. a nice touch :wink:
2. Mainsheet blocks, new Harken hexarachet 6:1 purchase. Great for playing the mainsheet in gusty winds with minimal effort due to the hexarachet 10:1 additional holding purchase.
3. All lines aft using Ronstan & Harken blocks plus Spinlock clutches. I guess nothing replaced here, just added.
4. Vang attachment point on the mast (flimsy padeye) broke. Bolts snapped. I now have a bail on the mast which is a much stronger connection. I believe the :macx: boats use this connection. Not sure why they changed to the whimpy padeye on the :macm:
5. Installed cam cleats for the rudder lines.
6. Replaced latch for sliding galley. Original broke so I installed one a bit more heavy duty.
7. Replaced 2 forestays. Original slightly frayed but usable, but at the time, I wanted a 5/32" cable. Served for 2+ years. Recently noticed heavy fray at the top, just below the swage and above the top of the furler. At least half the strands broke. :o Glad I caught that one in time. Replaced with factory 1/8" forestay.
8. Replaced factory daggerboard after two heavily dammaged stock boards involving no groundings. No have a 180 lb ballasted board (custom made.)
9. Replaced block for DB line. Original wasn't desgined for heavy loads like this and it finally stopped spinning. Also installed 6:1 block & tackle for the board.
10. Replaced factory engine linkage with BWY quick disconnect linkage and fixing stud.
11. Galley faucet broke. I also replaced two water bags that leaked, so I took the opportunity to install running water; pump & faucet & 13 gal plastimo water bag.
12. Had two porta potties leak :? :P :x Installed a Dometic head with pumpout and pressurized flush. (very happy with this unit.)

OK, that's all I can think of for now. I guess not too bad a list, but I haven't touched on the electronics, sails, canvas, etc.

Got one more trick up my sleeve. Should be a really cool mod, but I can't talk about yet. Stay tuned.

fair winds,
LD :o TRIPPLE REEFED

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:50 pm
by Highlander
KayakDan wrote:J
It's ok John,
I'll go up in two weeks and drink enough of his Portugese wine to get even for you! :wink:[/quote]

watch that tricky Q1 & make sure the wine bottles are stilled sealed & he's not trying to flog you some of his home made $hit :D :D :D :D :P :wink: Ya gotta watch out for them frogs ! they'll try & pass off anything onto you they can't get rid of at home !!! :o :D :D :D :D :P :wink:
when he opens the bottle make sure he does not drink from another one :o :o :o :wink:
Hi Bertran I here its cold up in QC tonight was -28C here last night so does this mean you'll be making ice wine now !!! :D :P :wink:
What a tease Eh !
J

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:14 am
by J.Teixeira
Hi

Do you know that the production area of that wine is one one the best Mac paradises in Europe?

Not only the worlds oldest wine production area... but also:

The Douro river as 5 large dams all equipped with huge gates (40mt/113ft high each) that created 5 connected lakes and a 200 km/110NM water way from the Atlantic to Spain...

Image
Ariane at is pier near home.

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Home,Farm and the vineyards

http://arianeoveleiro.blogspot.com/2000 ... chive.html

If you want to taste some of our home made "$hit"...
I promise I will make a special offer exclusive for this web members!

Now you "only" need to cross the Atlantic...

JT

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:19 am
by John McDonough
JT

Sanitized your ballast tank. Mix up enough wine to fill the Ballast tanks and follow the trade winds West. You should be able to sail across the Atlantic in 30 days or less. (Columbus Route)

We will meet you somewhere along the East Coast USA.

See you soon.
John Mcd.

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:53 am
by J.Teixeira
:D :D :D :D :D

To try it...

I would have to drink a lot of it first...

:evil:

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:44 am
by Night Sailor
Yes, the boat is a simple one that lasts, if cared for. After 11 years and 3 months of owning a 1998 X bought from the factory, and installling a 1997 Mercury 50hp 2 stroke, 3 carb,small prop (no bigfoots abailable) engine,the only items that show wear and tear and need eventual replacement are the acrylic windows. They are scratched and show the typical "crushed ice pattern" of interior stress fractures due to exposure to TX sun and heat. Mayvbe I'll replace them for safety sake in another year or two.
The Merc has had the water pump impeller and ignition switch replaced even though it only has 33 hrs run time on it. The X trailer is factory made and only shows signs of rust on the brake drums because I sail only in fresh water, thoroughly rinse with fresh whenever sailing in salt contaminated fresh water lakes like Lake Texoma.
As my log on name implies we started out and continued doing 90% of our sailing at night, so the sails are just like new. The main and furlilng genoa are all we ever needed. If fact I have two extra sails which I've never used, a jib and a Asymm spinnaker or gennaker, or what Macgregor calls multipurpose sail.

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:12 am
by Highlander
Dont you just hate it when someone misreads your quote ! :x
And then processes to misquote your post and proceed to apply that you said something else ! :evil:
Read & read between the lines my friend ! :o
I said that bertrands personal home made wine taste like $hit , I dont know if Bertrand makes any home made wine ! or & if its tastes good or not & I dont really care ! as I was just joking & fooling around with my friend "Bertrand" Mind :)
So I think you are say a little confused ! :?
I referred that Bertrand would keep the portuguese wine for himself & pass off something esle less tastfull to his friends :P being that he is a crafty french man " another tease " :wink:
So before you run off & misquote people READ BETWEEN THE LINES :idea:
So no offense taken & no offense applied so stay 8) & enjoy the B/S chatter & the Nice Wine of course :!: :) :wink:
I was up in QC last wk-end not planned was for a funneral on my Senorita's side of the family so had no time to try your portuguese wine yet but I'll be looking for it in Ont. if avail & keep you posted ! or if not avail. in ON I'll have to wait until I'm up in QC again
Spent 6 1/2 hrs at the TO airport on Fri becuase the plane had an engine quit on the runway at take off ! and would not restart and we were towed back to the terminal they could not fix it ! so I was put on another flight
Then spent 4hrs at the QC airport on Sun morning becuase of this great weather in QC :D
http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee20 ... 010070.flv
Notice no planes on the runway !?
http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee20 ... 010071.flv
Nice new QC terminal though !
Shoulda seen the big smile on my Senorita's face when she came out of the house to see why their was a taxi cab sitting in her driveway, I didnt tell her I was coming up , she had sent me an e/m the day before saying that she wished I was their QC to comfort her at this sad time , so when I got out of the cab I said here I am :) you would not believe the welcome I got :)
j

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:04 am
by Québec 1
Hi...lander,
Is that any relation to Anne Lander?
Highlander wrote:Dont you just hate it when someone misreads your quote ! :x
you would not believe the welcome I got :)
j
I think my hooch tastes very good..but my friends prefer the store bought stuff, don't know why but anyhow there is no questioning taste.

Highlander I think you should retire and move to Québec...you sound like you have the winter bLAAAHHHS!. By the way I was planning a trip up the Rideau Canal from Ottawa to Kingston this summer ...leaving Ottawa on the 24 of June...maybe we can meet in Kingston and you can follow me back to Quebec...where we will drink good Scotch not that St Leger stuff. I figure you can drink on my boat till the 40 ouncer of Glenfidish is empty then we can go to your boat for evening drinks. You realize there is an open invitation open for you on my boat when your in town. Had apéritifs on the my boat the other day with friends. It was warm and cosy with the stove and a heater going. This was the first time they had drinks in January on a boat in Quebec. They were impressed ...what a great boat...just another tip of the hat to Roger!!.
As far as Portugese wine goes well....I'm sure it tastes better in Portugal and particularly on Ariane. I plan on going to Portugal now for sure!

Q1

Hey Teixeira do you really live on those hills? That looks like a fabulous place to live and sail!

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:47 pm
by kmclemore
You know, there's a really simple answer to the 'are these boats good enough to last' question... just check out the used boat market - there are *tons* of MacGregor boats available, and nearly all are in very presentable condition, even though some may be getting quite old. That's lasting to me. And think about it - how often have you found a Mac that's a clapped-out piece of scrap? Like almost never, unless someone's run it into a piling and physically totaled it.

And as far as ownership and turnover, heck, it's a bloody BOAT for cripes sake... all boats turn over, and with regularity - that's the nature of the beast. Heck, who keeps their same Catalina for >10 years? Not many, I'd bet.

Re: Are These Boats Good Enough To Last?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:55 pm
by J.Teixeira
Hi Q1

Yes I do.

http://arianeoveleiro.blogspot.com/2000 ... chive.html

In the white house near the water.

Clic on the picture of House Farm and vineyards to enlarge...

As I said before.

The Douro river, the Valley and it's vineyards are a great Mac paradise...

if anyone of you ever come to Europe just e-mail me...

You will all be very welcome...

JT