Here's a sneak peak at roger's new 70 foot yacht.

[NiceAft]

Russ,

I could not agree more.

Russ said:

With that said, when I bought my boat, I threw that money out the window and never expect to get it back. In return I have a fun boat that suits my needs well. If I ever sell it, it will be found money.

[yukonbob]

Yes gents as I read it, we all agree The Mac's are good quality entry level one of a kind hybrid power-sailors.. Priced and equipped in such a manner that they are truly affordable for working class people. You do not have to have a slip and slips it appears can run from $750 a season to almost that per month.. Yep almost that Per Month! I bought my boat ready to sail with a 50HP Merc BF for around $27K and then as time and money allowed I added to it and continue to do so, to this day.. 7 Years Later.
My wife never so much as blinked an eye at writing that first check and most the rest have been for hundreds not thousands and she has never said a word. Yes I believe I have around $40K in Wind Wine & Song now.. and we are contemplating about $3500 more this summer.. Over time and many many days of fun sailing and even a short live aboard Vaca.. She has GROWN...to Love Our Boat.. But if ? If I had said I found a boat and Its $57,000.00 and it too needs a couple Thousand in this and that? Humm I am thinking we wouldn't own a sailboat. I and others here, have been through some pretty nasty weather with these boats and for me? Nothing failed but my bladder Upkeep sheemupkeep They ALL need / require upkeep and a lot of them require more than ours.. Its only 26 feet long and you can often park it at home.. I now live in SWF and I see a lot of boats.. I see a lot of sailboats that never leave the dock ( mostly bigger boats ) .. and when I was at North Point Marine , one of the largest freshwater Marinas in the world, I saw a lot of big boats power and sailboats that seldom ever left the slip.. Ours was out often.. a " friend" had a Beautiful Seaward 34 (?) Its a Trailer Sailor too but it required a HUGE Dually Diesel to tow it.. I believe a few members here tow with Mini Vans..
In My Life ... I have seen Dreamers and Do-ers / Have -ers.. I could dream.... about owning a Seaward but I Own & SAIL a Macgregor...
When the time comes I will sell her.. If I lose half its half of what? Its Found money ..

Perfectly said. When we were looking 52k new is what we had come up with fully loaded from bwy. Found the same exact same one three years old with everything we wanted and a bigger engine and a few thousand in fishing upgrades for 22k less and less than ten hours on the engine and no one had spent a night on board. And when I get a bigger boat in many years, I'll pass it on to my kids or make it a family boat at the cabin on the lake either way. At this point the boat has paid for itself in good times and just keeps getting better.

[Russ]

The mods on this forum are fantastic and Kevin didn't even have to pay me to say that. They keep it a valuable resource. Few forums online are up to these standards.


--Russ

[kmclemore]

Hahaha hey there was a rather new member who made a political point or two rather early on.... I assume he has possibly recieved a PM warning..Thats long gone on this board.. No Pooping in the sand box...

Well, I just assumed . .

Actually, nobody got a PM warning or anything of the kind... I just saw that the conversation was starting to get a little heated so I thought I'd just remind everyone to keep things friendly. As to "no pooping in the sandbox", well, yes, I think that's a fair thing to expect, no?

[mastreb]

I guess I bought at a pretty good time. This is the actual cost I paid for what I consider to be a min-spec boat. Mike Inmon discounted for white color, threw in the roller-furling jib, mast raising system, and porta-potty at no cost (Saved about $1500 overall)

Cost is about $32,000 for what you actually need to sail. Present used value is about $26K, for a 19% depreciation in two years.

Matt


MacGregor 26M including Deluxe model Trailer 22,900.00
White boat -390.00
Genoa jib, 206 sq. ft. including adjustable blocks and sheets,$494 free
Roller furling (RF) system for Genoa or jib,$495 free
Boom vang (for better mainsail shape) 79.00
Mast raising systerm,$155 free
Steering linkage kit 55.00
Standard self contained marine head,98 free
Boarding and swim ladder 168.00
Evinrude 60HP E-Tec with tach, wiring harness, power cables, recessed shifter 7,490.00
Two 12 gal gas tanks in lieu of 6 gal 250.00
Table Bunk Cusion 48.00
Large anchor with chain and line (fills the anchor locker just about full) 250.00

Dealer prep includes mast rigging etc. Not Taxable 550.00

SUBTOTAL $32,180

CA Sales Tax City: San Diego CA Tax Rate: 8.75% CA TAX

California DMV fees: trailer and boat registration boat numbers 179.00

TOTAL 34,576

[tlgibson97]

I bought used because I couldn't afford $30-50K for a boat, but I could afford $9,500. Sure it was 16 years old but the engine ran and other than the gelcoat being quite weathered it was in decent shape. Everything was basically stock so I have been doing all my own mods to get it up to date. My only problem is since I am new at sailing, when something breaks I'm not sure if it is my fault or simply age taking its toll on the equipment. I figured at $9,500, I could put a lot into the boat and make it mine and be better off than paying more.

This is just a starter boat for us anyways. We'd like to move up to a keelboat at some point in the future. I just don't know if I want a trailerable or if I want somethign larger I have to slip. I still have time to figure out what we want.

[Ixneigh]

Re cheesy website: it needs to be preserved in its entirety for historic purposes.
mast Gate: I know but I often make stuff I could buy more economically. I think I just get satisfaction from doing some of it.
new 70 footer: if you are just after speed why bother with a narrow monohull? Why not a supersized venture catamaran?
Ix

[BOAT]

Hahaha hey there was a rather new member who made a political point or two rather early on.... I assume he has possibly recieved a PM warning..Thats long gone on this board.. No Pooping in the sand box...

Yeah, I got caught. If you use the word MAC and QUALITY in the same sentence it's a political statement - I got popped.

It reminded me of the first time I mentioned the MAC on Sailing Anarchy (yes, I was there a long time ago because I had a lot of friends on the site) I said I was considering getting a MAC and all of a sudden it was like I became some sort of Communist or Leper or something! WHAM! I was a pariah! Sent into exile.

Admiting that I like the MAC was like coming out or somthing, It was considered imflammitory to even suggest it.

[Hardcrab]

Nothing was said specificly as I recall by Mike Inmon, but when I was at the factory a few years ago buying a trailer, I was left with a
"read between the lines" impression that the new 70 was a one of a kind being designed by Roger and built by the talent at the factory as his personal boat.

It was not intended to be produced and sold as a ongoing model was my take on the story told to me.

Hull number 2 may be very rare indeed

[BOAT]

I could see that 2 years ago - I was at the plant with Mike in November of 2012. He was very clear at that time when I saw the new 70 that it was to be a "hand built one at a time" boat for "customers". He was very clear that there would be NO changes, NO options - but that the boat was indeed for sale to as many as want to buy it.

I can't see anyone getting interested based on what you can see at this point. I suspect Roger will take that boat out and beat the crap out of every TRANS PAC boat on the water. When he makes best speed to Hawaii in 15 days that will pretty much wake up the true "yachting" guys and watch how fast he takes orders for big boats.

Water ballast and a steel keel - that's gonna be hard to beat.

There are the guys that want luxury, but then there are the other guys that wanna SAIL.

[Russ]

I could see that 2 years ago - I was at the plant with Mike in November of 2012. He was very clear at that time when I saw the new 70 that it was to be a "hand built one at a time" boat for "customers". He was very clear that there would be NO changes, NO options - but that the boat was indeed for sale to as many as want to buy it.

I can't see anyone getting interested based on what you can see at this point. I suspect Roger will take that boat out and beat the crap out of every TRANS PAC boat on the water. When he makes best speed to Hawaii in 15 days that will pretty much wake up the true "yachting" guys and watch how fast he takes orders for big boats.

Water ballast and a steel keel - that's gonna be hard to beat.

There are the guys that want luxury, but then there are the other guys that wanna SAIL.

The water ballast and light weight could make for an interesting boat. All these millionaire class boats are extremely high tech.
I wonder if it's essentially the same hull as the 65. Long skinny, reminds me of Bill Lee's Merlin or a Santa Cruz 70. And just what was the factory doing with that "S" they were measuring/molding who knows what with last year? I assume we might see some sea trials this year. Much of the future of the 65/70 hull will depend on it.

Anyone know if Mike Inmon is sticking around CA or moving down to Florida to sell the new tattoos (at the factory)?

As for speed, I bought an M 'cause I didn't need performance. For our family, it serves us very well, not so fast under sail though.


-Russ

[BOAT]

Good question, my impression is that Mike has his own shingle called "Sales at the Factory" and I'm not sure he would not still be a dealer for whatever boat he is franchised to sell. I would assume that BWY and all the other dealers including Mike would still be dealers of the boat. But, I did also get the impression that Mike wil be SAILING the 70 too - so that means he probably will be the sales guy for that boat also. (If you can call it a 'boat')

I saw it - it's more submarine than boat. Anything that long and that light with that much keel and that much sail is gonna be impossible to catch. And because it is essentially a submarine the biggest seas in the world will not be able to touch it.

In heavy wind I think it would do 20 knots. This thing is going to be in the class of the ABM AMORO and some other mono hull crazies.

The Mari-Cha is the record holder (at least that I can recall of the 2000's) but she is 140 feet long and those "boats" are using their extreme length to achieve speeds near 40 knots.

140 feet is getting a bit beyond your normal "yachting" crowd.

I'm trying to imagine Mike Inmon in a 140 foot sloop going 40 knotts - even Mike might draw a line on that one.

[mastreb]

Well, the traditional waterline hull speed calculation puts the maximum at just over 11 knots. With a few points for extreme lightness and very narrow beam, I'd say the max is 13 knots +/- 1 knot. This squares with the rated 12 knot maximum speed of the 65, and since there's no radical difference in design, I'd say that number still stands.

The difference that the heavy keel and (probable) ketch rigging will make is that it will be able to do that 12 knots in 18 knots of wind or less, not that the absolute highest speed is really going to go up all that much.

Also, I'd have done a completely vertical bow on an all-new sailboat design. The inclined bow configuration is designed to lift the boat along with forward waves to reduce water on deck, and hails from a time when making a topdeck waterproof was really hard. It turns out to be a critical feature of any planing or semi-planing hull as well as you MUST stay above the waves when you plane. But for a non-planing sailboat made of fiberglass, it's all disadvantage and zero advantage, as you lose a lot of forward momentum riding up with the waves. Better to take the wave over the bow and shape the topdeck to allow it to run off to the sides before it gets to the aft cockpit. As soon as boats went to waterproof fiberglass clamshell designs, any non-planing boat should have been designed with a wave-piercing bow in my opinion.

[Russ]

Hard to break the laws of physics with a displacement hull boat.
However Merlin was a fast boat in its day.

In 1977 the 66-foot (20 m) Merlin was considered unseaworthy by critics, however, the boat proved to be capable of 28 knots (52 km/h) surfing, and won the 1977 Transpacific Yacht Race from California to Hawaii in record time with an average speed of 11 knots (20 km/h) over 2,250 miles. Bill Lee still claims it was his favorite boat to sail.



Some crew comments:
They learned how to sail when the boat ran over one wave and down into the next, covering the foredeck with a couple feet of water. ”We were all pretty scared at first,” recalls Vandenberg. “The bow would be three feet underwater but the boat didn’t slow down or load up and the speedometer didn’t go down. After awhile, we’d just shrug our shoulders and keep going.”

That's nothing compared to modern high tech VO70 with its canting keel which is capable of canting transversely up to an angle of 40 degrees.
Since the launch of the class it has proven itself to be the fastest distance monohull sailboat class ever built. Today all major distance monohull records are established by VO70's. For example, in October 2008 the yacht Ericsson 4 officially travelled 596.6 nautical miles in 24 hours, establishing a 24-hour monohull record. They sailed Ericsson 4 hard as a strong cold front hit the fleet, bringing winds approaching 40 knots, and propelling the yacht at an average speed of 24.8 knots. Of course this is not a displacement hull .

Now I'm perfectly happy with my Mac's 5 knots, but what I wouldn't give to crew on one of these things just once.

THAT'S a FAST boat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZahKXQQzFE

[BOAT]

Many had mentioned that "submarine" kind to handling on the displacement hulls that were really fast. It looked like the MAC70 was ready to go under water with no problem at all.