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Re: Anchor Light - Crazy idea

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I use one of these Davis Anchor Lights u can attach to ur topping lift or main halyard to raise it as high as u wish
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easy Peasy & Legal :arrow: :idea: :wink:

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for spreader lights I use these blue led spot lights the top one lights up the bow & bowsprit , the lower one lights up the fore deck , the two side ones light up the port & starboard hull & surrounding water
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I thought about putting a mast light on but a) I'm not convinced masttop anchor lights are the best option in the kind of anchorages I'm likely to be with this boat, and b) I like to keep stuff simple on the boat.

I use a little LED lantern (they sell em in Kmart here for about $4 I think, or posted on ebay for not much more) and clip it on the shroud. Good for several days on a set of rechargeable AAA batteries. I just wrapped a bit of gunline around it so I could clip one of the flag clips on the bottom and I just clip it to a shroud.
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Mac26Mpaul wrote:I thought about putting a mast light on but a) I'm not convinced masttop anchor lights are the best option in the kind of anchorages I'm likely to be with this boat, and b) I like to keep stuff simple on the boat.

I use a little LED lantern (they sell em in Kmart here for about $4 I think, or posted on ebay for not much more) and clip it on the shroud. Good for several days on a set of rechargeable AAA batteries. I just wrapped a bit of gunline around it so I could clip one of the flag clips on the bottom and I just clip it to a shroud.
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Nice mod but only issue is it,s not coast guard approved or legal like mine is , so u r screwed if u r involved in an incident ! for $30. the Davis approved anchor light ! is the way to go & be Legal , ur mod would be ok as an additional cockpit light , I try to avoid using white light @ night any where on the boat when out on the water as I find it really attracts the bugs , so I use my red led lights in the cabin so as not to lose my night vision & my Blue led lights for spreader , deck & cock pit , while night sailing or motoring I use my red led cockpit lights if I need too ,
Just my little rant lol

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No its not legal, but I still am, because I also have one of those that Russ posted. That is the one that makes me legal, but I put this lantern out too so that boats can actually see me because its much brighter than the hopeless (but legal) LED one as posted by Russ. :P
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Highlander wrote:Nice mod but only issue is it,s not coast guard approved or legal like mine is , so u r screwed if u r involved in an incident !

Not necessarily. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Coast Guard actually tests and approves anchor lights. My guess is much of that is marketing. If it's visible 2nm, it's legal and approved. That is the tricky question, is it visible 2nm.

Paul's light looks pretty dang bright. My guess is it is visible 2 miles. Easy to test, take it out someplace and clock the distance and see if you can still see it. However, the sharks in the courtroom would probably hire some "expert" to test that. As I see it, there is legal and there is avoiding collision. I want both.


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Just saying thats all , as an addition to an anchor light it,s great & if its brighter even better :arrow: :idea:

I still prefer my blue led spreader lights anchored in a blue lagoon cove singing the Blue,s "Only the Lonely" tonight :( :arrow: :D :D :D :D Oh & my legal Anchor light swinging along on my topping lift :P

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RussMT wrote:
Highlander wrote:Nice mod but only issue is it,s not coast guard approved or legal like mine is , so u r screwed if u r involved in an incident !
Not necessarily. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Coast Guard actually tests and approves anchor lights.
That's correct; the USCG does NOT test lights. But the USCG does require nav lights to be tested by an independent lab, and marked "USCG Approval 33 CFR 183.810" along with some other stuff, including "USCG 1-mile" (or 2-mile, or 3-mile, or 5-mile), the name of the test lab, and even the bulb required, if it all fits. If the fixture is too small, just "USCG 2-mile" (or other distance), but all the other stuff has to be on the packaging. I believe these markings are a relatively new requirement, but it's all been formalized in the COLREGs and CFRs. 33 CFR Subpart M, to be specific.

Oh, and lights are the responsibility of the boat operator, NOT the boat builder. They're not even required to put lights on in the first place, but even if they do, it's still the responsibility of the skipper, including using the correct type, visibility, location (masthead at least 1 meter above side lights, for instance), angled correctly (dead ahead to 22.5 deg. abaft the beam on each side, and so on), and even the right type -lights for sailboats have different vertical sector brightness requirements than those for power boats, due to heeling under sail! That's why WM lists boat types for the various nav lights - power and sail, or just power.

In case anyone is interested, and since I have this into burned into my brain anyway, vertical sector visibility intensity requirements for sailboat nav lights is 100% required minimum for +/- 5 degrees angle of heel, and 50% for up to 25 degrees angle of heel. For power boats, it's 100% for +/- 5 deg. angle of heel, and 60% up to +/- 7.5 deg. angle of heel. So you can see that lights with a fresnel lens is likely to NOT meet the requirements for sailboats, as the intensity drops fast with small angles of heel. And my X came with bicolor and stern lights with fresnel lens lights. :P The current listing for those Perko lights specifies power boats, not sailboats, which is no big surprise.

Even the color spectrum is specified for the different light types, which probably has something to do with only certain bulbs being 'approved' for use in fixtures.
RussMT wrote:Paul's light looks pretty dang bright. My guess is it is visible 2 miles. Easy to test, take it out someplace and clock the distance and see if you can still see it. However, the sharks in the courtroom would probably hire some "expert" to test that.
That's for sure. And having been involved in many crane accident investigations, I can tell you that the 'experts' are not always very expert, even though the names may be well known in the industry. Though come to think of it, since I do some 'expert witness' stuff every so often, I guess my expertise is similarly subject to question. :D But having fixtures with "USCG 1-mile" (sidelights) and/or "USCG 2-mile" (white stern light, masthead light, and all-round anchor light) on the fixture and the specified bulb would go a long way toward mitigating exposure in that department.
RussMT wrote:As I see it, there is legal and there is avoiding collision. I want both.
My nomination for Quote Of The Year. 8) Words to live by, for sure. :)

Sorry for the long diatribe. I'm watching the Dog Whisperer, and procrastinating about opening up the trailer bearings for inspection, prior to a road trip next week. :wink:
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RussMT wrote:As I see it, there is legal and there is avoiding collision. I want both.


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Howbout Collision Avoidance Countermeasures... Deploy flares!!
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Yes, here they must be approved and apparently visible to 2 miles also. I have walked along a beach and in the distance (not nearly 2 miles), the approved and legal one is very hard to make out, but thankfully my $4 Kmart one near it shines bright so will hopefully stop some drunken fisho (fisherman) in a Tinnie from banging into me.

When I leave the boat out there by itself, I usually just leave the legal one (as posted by Russ) as it seems to last forever. I have left it out there burning away for 2 or 3 days and the batteries still seemed fine.

The $2 garden lights seem just as bright as that legal one and although not legal, I have left the boat out there with a couple of those for almost a month. (in a reasonably well lit area anyway). I wish they would come out with an approved portable solar anchor light (garden light style).
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jrcanoe wrote:I am going to put a solar flag pole light on top of my mast. 8in with 20 LED's if I don't like it it's only 22$ and I can use it somewhere else.
This is a great idea.... I'm going to get one and maybe install a pull cord switch inside it with the lite nylon string hanging some way down the mast.... Could pull a long string with my hand or maybe use a hook pole on a short short string.

Will also get a legal light on the back of the boom just like Russ.

Thanks guys.
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Neo wrote:
jrcanoe wrote:I am going to put a solar flag pole light on top of my mast. 8in with 20 LED's if I don't like it it's only 22$ and I can use it somewhere else.
This is a great idea.... I'm going to get one and maybe install a pull cord switch inside it with the lite nylon string hanging some way down the mast.... Could pull a long string with my hand or maybe use a hook pole on a short short string.

Will also get a legal light on the back of the boom just like Russ.

Thanks guys.
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Thanks I did not want to run wires but a string switch is a great idea I can run in down inside the mast of my M19
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I feel like a broken record but I take it most people adding additional lights don't travel at night very often. The light requirements and specific combinations for all vessels (not just small recreational boats) are not a minimum requirement; they are a very specific combination of colour, placement, angle, visibility range so that other vessels can quickly identify what you are, which direction you are heading, where you are in relation to them and also help in determining positions based on an accepted standard of conditions.


Vessels are required to show the proper navigation lights from sunset to sunrise in all weather conditions. During these times no other lights that could be mistaken for lights specified in the rules can be displayed, nor any lights that may impair the visibility or distinctive character of the navigation lights, or interfere with the keeping of a proper lookout.

It may seem counter intuitive to not display more lights than required but it can become confusing for other vessels if you do (that extra single white light off the boom could be mistaken for a vessel over 50m and give a false sense of distance). If you're only thinking about small vessel operation take a look at larger vessel requirements, or vessels in tow, trawlers, submarines, restricted maneuverability, vessel aground etc.

See how you do...
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Really good observation. 8)
yukonbob wrote:The light requirements and specific combinations for all vessels (not just small recreational boats) are not a minimum requirement; they are a very specific combination of colour, placement, angle, visibility range so that other vessels can quickly identify what you are, which direction you are heading, where you are in relation to them and also help in determining positions based on an accepted standard of conditions.
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yukonbob wrote:The light requirements and specific combinations for all vessels (not just small recreational boats) are not a minimum requirement; they are a very specific combination of colour, placement, angle, visibility range so that other vessels can quickly identify what you are, which direction you are heading, where you are in relation to them and also help in determining positions based on an accepted standard of conditions.
Just a minor clarification (and not trying to be picky), but there is one minimum in those requirements: light intensity and distance range of visibility. The COLREGs specifically call them out as minimums, and allow shorter range as boats get smaller. But if anyone is distrustful or uncomfortable with 1-mile sidelights and/or 2-mile masthead, stern, or all-round white anchor light, they can always jump up a size to 2-mile and 3-mile, respectively. Or conceivably more, but those units get pretty big, pretty fast, with increase in range. :|

From Rule 22: "The lights prescribed in Rules 20-31 shall have an intensity as specified in [ Section 8 of ] Annex I to these Rules so as to be visible at the following minimum ranges:" (emphasis added)
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Tomfoolery wrote:
yukonbob wrote:The light requirements and specific combinations for all vessels (not just small recreational boats) are not a minimum requirement; they are a very specific combination of colour, placement, angle, visibility range so that other vessels can quickly identify what you are, which direction you are heading, where you are in relation to them and also help in determining positions based on an accepted standard of conditions.
Just a minor clarification (and not trying to be picky), but there is one minimum in those requirements: light intensity and distance range of visibility. The COLREGs specifically call them out as minimums, and allow shorter range as boats get smaller. But if anyone is distrustful or uncomfortable with 1-mile sidelights and/or 2-mile masthead, stern, or all-round white anchor light, they can always jump up a size to 2-mile and 3-mile, respectively. Or conceivably more, but those units get pretty big, pretty fast, with increase in range. :|

From Rule 22: "The lights prescribed in Rules 20-31 shall have an intensity as specified in [ Section 8 of ] Annex I to these Rules so as to be visible at the following minimum ranges:" (emphasis added)
Thanks TF, Exactly. Watching lights in the dark plays tricks on your mind. You rarely see something and go "I know exactly what that is and where it is" You watch it for ten minutes, ask "what is that?" watch it for another five minutes, starring intensely at it, reducing throttle, "WTF is THAT?" (at this point if you could see in the dark I bet it would look hilarious cause theres usually a mile between you and whatever it is that you're looking at) Then at some point something in your brain clicks and "Oh thats what that is! Why didn't I see that before?" Its also good to remember that these are three dimensional light patterns as well and can take a while to determine, what, where and how its orientated.
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