Gel coat again…

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OverEasy wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 10:39 pm Hi Herschel!
Wow! What a great clean up job!
That’s perfect!
Hope all goes well with the step pours and such.
You’ve put in a lot of effort!
The goal is within sight!
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Progress. Waiting for more flotation materials. Ordered another 2-gallon kit of the stuff now that I see how it expands. The container tells you how much flotation the finished product will give you. It's 23 lbs. per quart, so I expect with about five quarts, I will have about 115+ lbs. of flotation locked into this cavity wrapped and sealed in a water tight plastic wrap/tarp. The bow has an equal or greater sealed void of air, and I'll put quality pool noodles into the gunwhales for good measure even though they are more temporary. Boat weighs about 150 lbs.:)

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Hi Herschel!

Good Job!
Glad you’re making progress while this project given all the heat we’ve been experiencing this year.

(Fun thing I’ve done in the past when making ‘sealed’ areas that have a limited future potential of being opened up is to leave a note in a ziplock bag inside a PVC tube to whoever finds it in the future. It’s a fun way of potentially ‘conversing’ with the future. Sorta like a time capsule of sorts.
I figure if anyone finds it then you’ve made their day! :D :wink: Just think how you would feel if you’d found a nice note from the past when you were cleaning out the old foam…. That would have been a blast! Just think of how an archeologist would feel if she/he found a Sumerian cuneiform tablet at a dig site that said “ Hi! I don’t know who or when or where you found this but here in my time I wish you well in your time….”. Maybe toss in a photo or two and your history with the boat… maybe a Google map of where you are at this time. Just think of the museums that would love to share that with people! On a simpler note though think how possible it might be a descendant or a like minded individual who is restoring your boat at some point in the future to come across a note from you… the past becomes present... Just a thought… :wink: 8) )

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
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Well, well...live and learn. :P Turns out there are multiple densities of flotation foam---2lb., 4lb., and 6lb,---to name three. How do I know? I inadvertently bought 6lb. for the initial effort that when expanded took up very little of the void space. I chose 2lb. when I ordered more to finish the job because it was recommended for mostly flotation jobs where strengthening factors were not a concern. Had no idea it would expand at a geometrically greater size/space. One quart poured in 1/3 increments quickly over filled the remaining space. I had hoped to not have to saw off the top of the completed foam to help further insure the water tight integrity of closed cell foam. But, nevertheless, I had some to saw off. Concerned that the sawing process might expose some foam to greater moisture absorption should water get into this void at some point, I sprayed two coats of Flex-Seal spray over the sawed off top. It looks pretty good despite some ragged edges from the sawing. The foam will be wrapped and sealed in plastic, and the whole void/seat will be sealed and caulked with Life-Caulk. That should leave me with three barriers to water absorption---caulk/sealing of seat, plastic wrap around foam, and closed cell foam finished off with Flex-Seal. Tomorrow I wrap it up in the plastic and seal it, then replace the seat and caulk it. Then we get back to the painting that started all of this. :|
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:| :o :?
Hi Herschel!
Sounds like a surprise!
It also sounds like a great idea to use the flex seal stuff to seal the cut edges. I’ve generally used plain resin to “paint” over the cut surface.

Glad you were able to get this out of the way and get back to finishing things!

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OverEasy wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:13 pm :| :o :?
Hi Herschel!
Sounds like a surprise!
It also sounds like a great idea to use the flex seal stuff to seal the cut edges. I’ve generally used plain resin to “paint” over the cut surface.
Glad you were able to get this out of the way and get back to finishing things!
Best Regards
Over Easy 8) 8)
Sealed the plastic wrap around the foam "package" with flex seal tape. The tape was very similar to RV enduro tape for rubber roofs. Then I caulked all the horizontal ledges upon which the seat sits and the screw holes and secured the seat down. My friend will help me with the final caulking of all seams tomorrow.

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Looking good Herschel.

I don’t think I’m adventurous enough to have attempted it.
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Hi Herschel!
Great progress!
Ya gonna leave a note before ya seal’er up? :wink:

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8)
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OverEasy wrote: Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:30 pm Hi Herschel!
Great progress!
Ya gonna leave a note before ya seal’er up? :wink:
Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
I pondered it. But at this point it felt like "gilding the lily." I've got to get my Mac trailer out to load the Mac (from my marina slip) next week to haul it over to the tech to do a 100-hour service on my Yamaha and some electrical work on my 12-volt panel. :| Then my travel trailer needs pressure washing. :| Then there are repairs around the house...a course I am teaching for a non-profit... :| You know; life gets in the way of good ideas! My brother and one of my sons sort of co-own this little sailboat that has been our family for 66 years. And they know the history of the boat very well, and its going to stay in the family for at least one more generation. But it is a good idea. :)
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It's got to feel good to have that project behind you! It looks great!
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Be Free wrote: Mon Aug 25, 2025 3:05 pm It's got to feel good to have that project behind you! It looks great!
Got the stern seat back in place and caulked. Two coats of primer down. Two coats of topside paint and reattaching of hardware, and we are ready to sail. :)

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That is some nice work! I love the pattern in the paint.
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Be Free wrote: Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:19 pm That is some nice work! I love the pattern in the paint.
The blue areas on the bottom and in the bow are SeaDek padding to make it easy on the knees when coming about and shifting from one side to another. I had them custom made for Laddie II. The Sprite class insignia is carved in the bow SeaDek---a flying "S".

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An interesting development. I have been wondering what a professional boat painter would charge me to paint my '98 Mac 26X topside. My new marine tech at my marina, who just did a yearly service on my 50 hp Yamaha, referred me to a fellow about an hour away within easy trailering distance to see what his estimate would be to paint the Mac from rub rail to rub rail. I sent pictures to him last week and will call tomorrow to see what he would charge and what kind of a job he would recommend. One thing I have concluded from this project with my 10-footer is that trying to do the 26-footer would be a muti-month project given how often "life" gets in the way of boat DIY projects even if expense is, gladly, not a terrible issue. I've still got two coats of paint to apply to the Sprite, plus reinstall hardware before we can do the planned splash in October. But we have a rash of family birthdays this month, a trip to the keys, an MRI on my knee, and a course I am teaching to plan. Stay tuned to my "soap opera," and we'll see how this turns out! :P
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Herschel wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 12:23 pm An interesting development. I have been wondering what a professional boat painter would charge me to paint my '98 Mac 26X topside. My new marine tech at my marina, who just did a yearly service on my 50 hp Yamaha, referred me to a fellow about an hour away within easy trailering distance to see what his estimate would be to paint the Mac from rub rail to rub rail. I sent pictures to him last week and will call tomorrow to see what he would charge and what kind of a job he would recommend. One thing I have concluded from this project with my 10-footer is that trying to do the 26-footer would be a muti-month project given how often "life" gets in the way of boat DIY projects even if expense is, gladly, not a terrible issue. I've still got two coats of paint to apply to the Sprite, plus reinstall hardware before we can do the planned splash in October. But we have a rash of family birthdays this month, a trip to the keys, an MRI on my knee, and a course I am teaching to plan. Stay tuned to my "soap opera," and we'll see how this turns out! :P
$3,500.00 :o But when has something cost what you wanted it to cost. :P I'm game. Hopefully, it will add some to the resale value of the boat and give me many years of peace of mind, which at age 81 counts for something... a lot, actually. :) I'll meet with my guy soon to go over the boat and make final arrangements (that sounds gruesome; finalize the contract, I should say!). I love my Admiral; she is OK with this. :wink:
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Hi Herschel!

That paint price sounds pretty reasonable actually! :)
That and your not gonna be on your hands and knees for hours on end as well!
There is something valuable about just that aspect that makes it worthwhile!!! :wink: :wink:

At some point the cost/benefit analysis favors paying to have certain jobs done vs. the time&pain of DIY.
(I’m already at the point where bending over and kneeling to do all the prep work properly is a significant factor is a consideration.)
At that price it’s worth real consideration!
With the way things are going though with the economy (haven’t really seen the cost of eggs drop to be honest even if the availability is better :D :x :D ) the Admiral is ok with our piecemeal painting plan of doing the removable stuff first one season and the bulk of it later.
(Basic generic white and black standard color paint codes)
It’s a plan that’s always subject to change… :D :D

I’d love to hear what the process your painter is going to be doing and what materials he’ll be using!
There is always something to learn and appreciate from professionals.
Often it helps make the decision to bite the bullet and have a pro do the work.

Please keep us posted!

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8)
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