A New 33' Quasi Mac?

[K9Kampers]

ROAD Soldier says:
The only way I know to do that is to make the boat ultra utility to individual tastes.

To add to what ROAD is saying - I imagine a boat that is designed towards ultimate individual customization. A true blank canvas down below. Kind of like the custom van era of the '70's!

Designed in electrical & plumbing raceways for multiple variations, beefed up attach points or a track system for drop-in custom cabinet modules. Cabinet modules fabbed by an aftermarket source as well as hardware available for DIY'ers...for the ability to change interior layouts as desired or functions as needed. Galley / sette / head / nav station / closets installed to port OR starboard. A (semi) kit boat.

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Hi Duane.

Thanks!

You have nailed it with the Dragonfly 35!

Actually, there are only a few major differences between the 33 and the Dragonfly:

1. The Dragonfly has an additional 2' in length.

2. The Dragonfly has a plumb bow which provides more waterline.

3. The Dragonfly carries it's beam further aft.

Obviously, there is nothing that can be done about the length difference and bow. The plumb bow provides a little more living area down below. As far as the beam, this is a moot point as far as the interior. My guess is you folks will use the aft part of the boat for a double berth. A few inches either way isn't going to make a difference especially at or near the transom.

Take a look at the galley table on the Dragonfly. It is built on top of the keel casing. The 33' has an almost identical set-up. This needs to be taken into consideration when you start the design.

Thanks again, Duane.

Regards,

Art

Nice to hear the boat has a keel casing like the dragonfly rather than a floor to ceiling trunk like a M. That opens up the possibilities quite a bit, both for the layout and the feel of the boat.

Given that I'd say take the dragonfly layout as is, I really don't have much to add. The only thing I don't like about it is the smallish access to the aft berth. The person on the port side is going to be very trapped. Personally for coastal cruising I think the whole chart table thing is overkill. The reality is these days most navigation is done in real time on the chartplotter screen at the helm and if you need to use paper you can roll it out on the main table. I'd nix the nav desk, then further open up the aft berth access with a flip up SS ladder. If you leave the nav desk (the electrical panel is nice there) then I would at least swap the stairs for a flip up SS ladder for improved aft berth access and less claustrophobia .

[beene]

Art/Duane:

Scale drawing is posted

I'm a complete newbie to posting pictures on the forum : bear with me

Test image posting




I also have the Microstation source file and an Acrobat .pdf.
Just PM me and I can send it as an attachment.

Ralph k.

Here you go Ralph



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[AWKIII]

Hi Ralph.

Thanks for getting the drawing up!

I think the first two things on the agenda is:

1. Determine an ideal cockpit length.

2. Add a standard vee-berth forward. 7' should suffice.

Thanks, Art

[Richard O'Brien]

Nicely done Ralph

I've been looking at the 32' Southerly, a similar length boat. It has a 9-1/2' cockpit, and about a 9' v-berth. I like anything around 9', for each. That allows room for lockers, and some floor space. It's pretty hard to get dressed with your knees in your face.

Road soldier's modular approach is still interesting, but I vote to have dedicated v and aft berths. I don't fully understand the structural requirements of bulkheads. I have read that they are necessary for rigidity, and that they are generally not hard fastened to the cabin top to avoid hard surfaces, or ridges showing through to the deck. I would assume some kind of gasket is used above, and they are then bolted to a deck to cabin-top flange, and to the hull? I bring this up because it seems like those placements would predetermine the head, and even hanging locker locations? The windows need to be evenly spaced too.

Richard

[AWKIII]

Ralph.

Let's go with a 9' cockpit and a 9' forward vee. We can always make adjustments as we go.

Don't worry about bulkheads. There are structual and non-structural. We just need the "ideal" layout at this point.

As far as the modular approach. Take a close look at the Dragonfly pan liner. It is very simple and allows for modular furniture. The forward and aft berths will need to be part of the mold though.

I agree with Duane on the nav station. It is overkill and creates access issues. Perhaps a fold-down table to hold a pc and other small items. There will be a large table in the salon that could be used for paper charts when required.

Regards,

Art

[carriacou]

How about a standup head in the same location as the head but more head room.

If your thinkin of headin forward to the head it too must be head strong and you must be able to stand head and shoulders above the . The head was the deciding factor on the vs for "The BOSS."

Said she would not want to own the cause inside her head she could see her girlfriend trying to pull things down and back in, while her head strong husband was saying "beep, beep, beep, big load coming thru" and sounding like a trucks backup warning horn.

Just picture the thoughts in your head about, heading backwards into the starboard head with your unmentionable around your ankles hoping to hit the hole…… well for her it was just too heady of a picture.

So head down the design path with your head held high and you'll be headed for suck-cess; After all you want people to head out and buy this New Heads up design, don’t you?

don

[ROAD Soldier]

If you had inserts on the walls and floors you would be able to make the head as big or small as you liked.

[ralphk]

Art:

Another layout with "V" and cockpit.

Let's turn some those desired features from words to pictures.





Ralph k.


PS:

Drat! must still click on icon

Beene how did you make the image available?
Does Photobucket feature something that Flickr can't?

[Richard O'Brien]

Hi Ralph,

As you have begun this, can you continue?

I think the actual berths need to be 80" long. The V berth would lose about 2' off the bow for an anchor locker, and below that some storage? The aft berth would have about 1-1/2' behind the companionway steps for putting your feet down to stand. I can't imagine that the head and galley can both fit by the companionway? Maybe we can take a vote? I also can't imagine a sliding bulkhead for the head because the hull shape changes continuously? Modular components might have to be dedicated to each section. I like the idea of a foam sandwich head partition that is adjustable. I just can't figure out how?

Ralph, can you draw in the companionway steps? Maybe 18"x2'-? wide starting at 9'. We can also see what Duane comes up with.

Richard

[Hamin' X]

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[ROAD Soldier]

Problem makes something ultra-utilitarian, cheap, but strong? Utilitarian can be accomplished by having unified connections that line up with each other both at butt lines (vertical) and waterlines (horizontal). Now these connections have to be cheap but strong which rules out my HUEY Helicopter floor idea because anything Aviation is expensive. So here are my latest idea make 1 inch circler divots spaced every 6 inches in the floor, walls, and ceiling with either a molded on bar going across it or a screw in metal bar going a cross it.

Now for things to attach to those connections all you need is simple nylon belt looping over them going into a plastic buckle, or you can get fancy and have miniature ratchet straps on items that are heavy and need more hold down power. Translate this into your adjustable wall for a head all you would need is a sheet of hypalon the same stuff they make inflatable white water rafts and my folding kayak out of (very strong stuff) and have non adjustable loops on bottom with ones you can tighten on top ever 6 inches and then if you want to make it smaller you just have to fold over by 6 inch increments. Now that would be cheap and strong.

[K9Kampers]

My vision of a drop-in-modular system may be more challenging than easy due to the unknown shape / curve / angle of the interior space. The ability to mix & match locations of various modules to suit the desire of the owner. The track system I spoke of could be a single aluminium or SS shaped extrusion, flush-mounted in a channel in the floor - one each side running the length of usable area, and same on each side of cabin wall. TEE bolts would attach the furniture module to the track. A filler piece would conceal unused open floor track or hide under carpet. Decorative trim pieces to hide track & seams of wall track.

For reference of track & TEE bolts - think of the work table of a Bridgeport mill:

[ROAD Soldier]

K9 that looks very strong and cool but I think it would be expensive.

[beene]

Beene how did you make the image available?
Does Photobucket feature something that Flickr can't?

Yes.....



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