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I know some of you have experience with the Mac.venture 22 and would love to know your thoughts on a Genoa. Have an 85 MAC 22 with stock sails (only headsail is standard jib). We sail on the Delaware where it meets the Atlantic and there is almost always a strong breeze especially in the Fall, WInter and Spring. Its rarely below 5 knots and mostly 15 or greater. I'm looking at getting an asymmetrical spinnaker so my family and I will have some fun downwind and practice flying this type of sail. I plan on getting a sock so that we won't struggle with this and it will be more fun. I'm also thinking about getting a Genoa but wonder if this is really too useful if the breeze is so light and I can use the Asym downwind on the occasion the breeze gets light anyway. I've read that on this particular model the Genoa is not particularly efficient upwind anyway because of the shroud location. SHould I really lay the money out for a Genoa on this particular boat?

We had a 150% Genoa on our '71 V-222. Best sail on the boat. Also had a spinnaker, not asym, which we used all the time. Didn't have any problems with the rigging getting in the way of the Genny. Only problem was seeing under it when close hauled so we had a window installed. Good Luck, Fair Winds and Full Sails...Old Salt..

OS-thanks, this is helpful. Anyone else have thoughts on whether it is useful to buy a genoa when the winds here are mostly above 10K and I am buying an asym anyway?
Genny-Yes/No.

From a sailing perspective, an Asym is for sailing before the wind. A Genoa is quite useful for sailing at a beam reach, broad reach, etc.

jtis1 wrote:OS-thanks, this is helpful. Anyone else have thoughts on whether it is useful to buy a genoa when the winds here are mostly above 10K and I am buying an asym anyway?
Genny-Yes/No.

Agreed, I'll take that as one vote for the Genny.

Anyone else-is it worthwhile getting a genoa when the wind is consistently over 10K?

With an asym in the locker and 10 knots or mor, I would buy a jib over a genny

See JudyB for sail options other than the lousy stock stuff made from leftover handkerchiefs....

I consider a genoa a light-air sail, and if you rarely have light air, then (to me) it would be a waste of money. I'd put those dollars into a good jib. The boat will probably point higher with it, too.

Though the is (much, much) different than a 22, I tried both when I got the boat, and I'm sticking with the jib. My boat has enough trouble pointing as it is, and the genoa only makes it worse. I have an asymmetrical spinnaker for downwind work, though I haven't used it enough to get a good feel for it yet.

Catigale wrote:. . . the lousy stock stuff made from leftover handkerchiefs....

And when they're blown out (like mine), they're just oh so much more better.

Okay, but if you have a RF Genoa, can't you simply shorten it until it acts like a Jib?

tkanzler wrote:I consider a genoa a light-air sail, and if you rarely have light air, then (to me) it would be a waste of money. I'd put those dollars into a good jib. The boat will probably point higher with it, too.

Though the is (much, much) different than a 22, I tried both when I got the boat, and I'm sticking with the jib. My boat has enough trouble pointing as it is, and the genoa only makes it worse. I have an asymmetrical spinnaker for downwind work, though I haven't used it enough to get a good feel for it yet.

Catigale wrote:. . . the lousy stock stuff made from leftover handkerchiefs....

And when they're blown out (like mine), they're just oh so much more better.

dlandersson wrote:Okay, but if you have a RF Genoa, can't you simply shorten it until it acts like a Jib?

tkanzler wrote:I consider a genoa a light-air sail, and if you rarely have light air, then (to me) it would be a waste of money. I'd put those dollars into a good jib. The boat will probably point higher with it, too.

Though the is (much, much) different than a 22, I tried both when I got the boat, and I'm sticking with the jib. My boat has enough trouble pointing as it is, and the genoa only makes it worse. I have an asymmetrical spinnaker for downwind work, though I haven't used it enough to get a good feel for it yet.

Catigale wrote:. . . the lousy stock stuff made from leftover handkerchiefs....

And when they're blown out (like mine), they're just oh so much more better.

You can, but sail shape (on mine, at least) is a mess when I do that, and my poor boat can't point worth a darn to start with, so I'm better off using a smaller headsail running as-designed. Maybe using a barber-hauler to pull the sheets in would help a little, but I haven't tried it on this boat.

Thanks for the insight. To clarify it is hank-on.

LOL Mine too.

tkanzler wrote:

Catigale wrote:. . . the lousy stock stuff made from leftover handkerchiefs....

And when they're blown out (like mine), they're just oh so much more better.

At least my working jib is like-new (but still made from leftover handkerchiefs ). The POs used the genoa primarily, from the wear and tear, and I prefer the working jib anyway since it's the only headsail that lets me get tighter to the wind than a beam reach.

i have a used v 22 jib and main sail with a cabin cover if you need one..