Canadian Laws & the Mac / Tattoo Boats (Porta-Potties)

[bhbell]

The Porta Potty law is only in Ontario, I believe. One province out of 10 (plus territories). We have one on our boat.
Silly law. Makes no sense to me.

[BOAT]

If Canada (Ontario Province) does not want out porta-potty then we could leave it at the dock, but that makes for another problem.

What about the gray water from the sink and washing dishes?? Is that bad too? In Avalon they put a pill in your holding tank that makes the poo poo a bright color. If the color leaks out into the water they tell you to leave and never come back!! See, there are places even worse! The United Socialist Republic of Catalina Island in the city of Avalon is the worse I think. You can be BANISHED!

At least in Canada they only give you a fine.

[RobertB]

Think of all the fun you could have with some of those dye pills and a slingshot

[Crikey]

Ironically enough, this afternoon I just bought a brand new Dometic pump out model to properly comply with our laws in this years Mad Men of Ontario Rendezvous, this August.

That's the old installation on top.
Ross

[bhbell]

My question for defenders of the silly Ontario law on Porta-potties: Are porta-potties not meant to store human waste until the user arrives at a location where its contents can be dumped responsibly?

To me it sounds like law to ensure boaters are forced to pay someone for the pleasure of disposing of their waste. So, maybe "commie" is not the appropriate term as much as "special interest".

[Tomfoolery]

. . . this afternoon I just bought a brand new Dometic pump out model to properly comply with our laws in this years Mad Men of Ontario Rendezvous, this August.

Ross

Do post some pics of the installation, if you don't mind. I have to do something like that (pump-out capable), also for the MMOR in August, and time's running out. I need to see what it takes, and how you do it may help me even though it's a different model boat.

Unfortunately for me, once I put one in, I'm stuck with it. Since I've gotten the boat, nobody's used the PP, which is fine by me, but if someone had, it's simple enough to empty. With a plumbed unit, I'm stuck with pumping out.

Or I'll just bring nothing, and hope for the best.

[Crikey]

Kanz, OK! Just bear with me until tomorrow - I finished it this afternoon with the help of some really useful tips from Dowsar marine (where we got it). I've taken a couple of pics so far, and was actually planning to finish some more early tomorrow for putting out a mod entry. You've got an X though, so one of my measurements might not work the same.
Big relief to finally have it done - especially after the Dowsar guy told me it was a $12,000 fine.... gasp!
Pretty scary knocking a 2 1/4"inch hole in the upper deck but it was all down hill after that, and actually pretty easy. Now I have to figure out what to do with the old one - kijiji? (notice I'm not calling it a 'hat' anymore.)
I could have used the 'boat bucks' for a million other things....
Ross

[Highlander]

Kanz, OK! Just bear with me until tomorrow - I finished it this afternoon with the help of some really useful tips from Dowsar marine (where we got it). I've taken a couple of pics so far, and was actually planning to finish some more early tomorrow for putting out a mod entry. You've got an X though, so one of my measurements might not work the same.
Big relief to finally have it done - especially after the Dowsar guy told me it was a $12,000 fine.... gasp!
Pretty scary knocking a 2 1/4"inch hole in the upper deck but it was all down hill after that, and actually pretty easy. Now I have to figure out what to do with the old one - kijiji? (notice I'm not calling it a 'hat' anymore.)
I could have used the 'boat bucks' for a million other things....
Ross

OMG I hope these r a pants on demondstration hate to see U in pic's with just bikini breifs on , Oh Yeh u down under guy's wear those skimmpy Vang string things that r basically a shoe string on the back with a little cup holder on the front

I chartered my fishing boat for more than 15yrs & only had a P/P in it, not plumbed in was inspected every yr by the coast gaurd they never said anything to me once !

J

[Gater Dunn]

In stead of a porta potty just hang one of these off the back deck

[Crikey]

OMG I hope these r a pants on demondstration hate to see U in pic's with just bikini breifs on , Oh Yeh u down under guy's wear those skimmpy Vang string things that r basically a shoe string on the back with a little cup holder on the front

OK, stifle it Edith! You're drinking by yourself this year.....

[Jim Bunnell]

Unfortunately for me, once I put one in, I'm stuck with it. Since I've gotten the boat, nobody's used the PP, which is fine by me, but if someone had, it's simple enough to empty. With a plumbed unit, I'm stuck with pumping out.

I put in a Thetaford Aquamate to cruise the North Channel (Ontario waters). It came with a cap for hooking to the pump-out and a cap that allows it to be removed and dumped like any other porta-potty where legal. Just make sure to tape or rubber-band a baggy around the pump-out connection when not in use!

[Tomfoolery]

Unfortunately for me, once I put one in, I'm stuck with it. Since I've gotten the boat, nobody's used the PP, which is fine by me, but if someone had, it's simple enough to empty. With a plumbed unit, I'm stuck with pumping out.

I put in a Thetaford Aquamate to cruise the North Channel (Ontario waters). It came with a cap for hooking to the pump-out and a cap that allows it to be removed and dumped like any other porta-potty where legal. Just make sure to tape or rubber-band a baggy around the pump-out connection when not in use!

Their web site says something about the spout and pumpout connections not being interchangeable. Can you switch them out in practice?

The Dometic site for the unit Crikey sourced seems to say they are interchangeable, though, so I'm anxious to see how that works.

Maybe we need a new thread for this, as it's wandered pretty far from the Tattoo 26 topic.

[kmclemore]

!	kmclemore:
	This thread was split off from the first picture for Tattoo 26 thread because it made sense to do so. I edited and removed some of the comments to eliminate the irrelevant spat and slim things down a bit. Complaints may be directed to the Moderators via PM or email. Continue on, folks...

[Tomfoolery]

Thanks! I wouldn't want this thread to get poofed for being so far off topic, as there's a lot of good stuff in here.

But the name, at least on your post: Potties and Tongue?

!	kmclemore:
	Fixed. Initially I included the stuff about tongue weight but then I moved those bits back to the old thread, realizing it was not relevant to Canada.

[Crikey]

I'm not posting this because I'm a $hit disturber but certain revelations of late made me realize it was futile to keep avoiding the very real possibility of a substantial fine while sailing the sunny waters of Ontario, Canada. Our acquisition ran up the nasty sum of $250 for a Dometic brand pump-out head which replaced our hastily purchased Dometic carry out model, when we got our 'M' in 2010. However, as we've been told, this avoids the possibility of potentially getting saddled with a $12,000 fine for doing the sequel to 'Minority Report' where we might even begin to 'think' about manually dumping our do-do overboard! Enough said - I'm too old to fight city hall with anything but my middle finger, so here's a small run down if you're contemplating doing a similar capitulation for this side of the border:
First, I will point out that my pics exclusively cover an model. As I understand it, the is a completely different model layout wise, so if you are sailing in that direction you will definitely want to get some better advice, or insight, before banging holes in your boat!
Here's the old dumpster sitting on top of the new replacement:
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Our chandlery - Dowsar Marine, in Hamilton, Ontario has done this many times before (on both models) and were pretty much right-on in pre-cutting the sanitation grade hosing for the installation. Perhaps another inch or two with the big pipe might have aided - but it still worked out satisfactorily. They even went so far as to ask which year our was, as there were minor variances within the model line. If you can't get this level of advice, be very certain with your measurements and observations before you start mucking about with the hole cutters.
Here's the main hole up on deck:
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For the (only) it involved inverting the fitting and marking the topmost flange in-line with the edges of the deck anti-slip pattern, then finding the center of that and choosing a hole saw of the exact size of the widest part of the particular fitting you've picked. Ours was made of Nylon and would have been different if we'd chosen the more expensive Stainless steel. I kind of think it goes with the Racoon stripes.
Here's the installed fitting, and where the hole exited inside. Note! No room for error, and it came through a section of the interior liner with a curve in it:
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Next came the outside vent. We were told very specifically to orient the fittings hole(s) rearward, if we were to avoid the dreaded filled potty-while -heeling-syndrome! As you can see, it came out just below the interior liner. This was measured exactly 50 1/2" (sorry, no metrics) from the front edge of the chainplate forward towards the bow, and in the center of the white detail stripe. The drill caught on the adhered carpeting somewhat - but that was easily cleared up with an exacto knife afterwards:
http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l52 ... 32b333.jpg
Here's the supplied tubing connected with SS clamps. I used a hair dryer, as advised, to sufficiently soften the thick tubing so I could insert the fittings:
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I was able to use the plywood base I had earlier fabricated, for our previous non-pumpout model. The reason for this was because the floor ledge in the didn't quite provide enough support to get entirely under the front little feet of this model commode. Quite simple to do and attach with SS screws. (Make sure the hole you pre-drill into the fiberglass is sized right for the screw hardware you choose - topsides included, otherwise the gelcoat will spall.) Luckily, the base footprint was almost identical in my case:
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And here's the finished installation!
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Yes, we now have to pay for pump-out, but could still disconnect the connections and cap the openings with the supplied hardware - if we wished - then manually carry it to an emptying location, provided we were crazy or desperate enough. This model probably has more than twice the capacity of the once it replaced, and I wouldn't like to be dropping that one inside the cabin - like I once did with my last. I think I could now make about two weeks out before beginning to panic!
A further note about making holes. You will generate an inordinate amount of talcum-like dust that goes everywhere! Don't breathe it and have a running vacuum nearby to cut down on the amount left behind. I purpose bought a deep circular hole cutter that centered on a mandrel bit - about $7 I think. It took a couple of runs through top - interior - and a middle layer, including some foam - clearing the tool frequently, before I broke through. Stuff will get hot, so don't rush it!
Now I can sleep at night...

Ross