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New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:31 am
by millcity
First post! (Sorry so long!) I’ll start off by saying I’ve been trolling this forum for over a year gathering ideas and plans for a Macgregor 26 purchase. This forum answered all my questions in an organized and entertaining form. Thank you all for that!

Little bit about me: My name is Jay and I live in Lowell, MA. I have spent 7 years in the Army (I know there are more than a few vets here) and have had the great opportunity to “study abroad” in Iraq and Afghanistan. I grew up spending the summers in johnboats fishing with sporadic bouts on the water in a sunfish whenever I could get a hold of one. I am anxious to expand my sailing knowledge but mostly interested in increasing my time on the water.

My sailing experience is limited and extends over about ten years. Most of my time has been in the small cockpit of my Tasar. Not racing but trying to go as fast as possible while ultimately ending up in the water, shiny side up. I had a blast but somehow couldn’t get any of my family or friends out on the water with me. I decided it was time for an upgrade and wanted to sacrifice speed for stability and comfort. I spent a long time looking at trailerables until I target locked on the Macgregor’s.

At first I was mostly interested in the 26D because of design, availability and current used prices but really decided on the :macx: after I checked them out in person. I was fortunate enough to take a few short sails on all the Macgregor models through friends of friends. Although I retained very little rigging or practical sailing knowledge from these trips as I was so fascinated with how this ‘Big’ boat was moving through the water under sail.

About three weeks ago I purchased a 2000 Macgregor :macx: ‘Hydro Cut’ with a 2001 50HP Tohatsu. This past weekend I was able to launch, spend two days and moor the boat at a small (4.5 x 3 mile) childhood lake in Maine. The boat was in excellent condition other than being stored under a pine tree. The trailer was a different story.

Prior to launch:
-Washed all lines that looked like they needed it
-Wet sanded and newglass 2’d the hull except textured deck
-Repaired leaking through hull antenna and mast light plug with 3M 4200
-Removed countless sap puddles
-Cut to form and installed teak interlocking floor tiles in cabin
-Flushed and ran engine
-Replaced dry rotted trailer tire
-Repaired trailer lighting
-Had a more experienced sailor inspect the rigging with no problems found

The 3 hour ride to Maine was taken at a slow pace due to the condition of the trailer (rusted, brakes gone) a 2010 GMC Sierra made me forget the boat was there for much of the way. Launch was easy as could be, raising the mast, lowering the mast, attaching windex, re-raising the mast and launching with the help of a line and a friend on the dock. Engine had been sitting for the better part of a year and took a bit of initial work to keep running, as expected. Ballast filled under supervision and without any problems.

The first day motored out in about 5mph winds, anchored, rigged and raised the main and the wind immediately went to 0. That afternoon while napping on the mooring (with two M26 neighbors) winds crept up to about 15mph. I watched as one M26 headed out but it was a tad too much for round two. An hour later and about two hours til sunset wind came to 10mph and I motored out to the middle of the lake. By the time the main went up wind had come down to about 7mph, enough to effectively push me sideways. On the Tasar in 7mph winds I would be losing my hat but in the X I need to learn some techniques to get me going. I tried every angle and sail trim. Ultimately having most success by getting the engine going long enough for the rudders to become usable. I know the missing variable in this attempt was the jib or genoa but it was still a great rush to pull the sail up. As the sun set, the nav lights came on and I slowly motored back to the mooring.

Second day I motored out to a cove to try to anchor. Wind was at 18mph and the boat wouldn’t hold in the sandy bottom. I decided to spend the day enjoying land attractions instead. On the return winds increased to 25mph. The same continued into the evening with weather underground reporting 25mph average with 33mph gusts. I think I made the right decision not to raise the sail that day. The boat was left on the mooring and I headed home.

First impressions; I feel like I am in a much more costly boat than purchase price reflects. Sleeping in the cabin V was much better than expected and I was able to cook up some decent meals on the single butane burner. The cabin kept out several overnight downpours and the dodger/bimi kept the sun out when I didn’t want it. The 50hp did a great job of pushing but if I had to repower I expect I would go a little bit bigger. The main was easy to rig, it came with improved slugs (probably about 8-10 plastic slugs that brought the main up and down from the cockpit with ease. I’m very happy with the boat and expect to be out on it most spring/summer/fall weekends for many years to come.

The future: If my knots hold and the boat is still on the mooring next weekend I hope to do a couple improvements. First, I had been experimenting with a 40w solar panel from Harbor Freight tools on the roof of my garage and hope to transfer this to the boat this coming weekend. The intent is to keep the dual batteries fresh throughout the week. Second is to figure out the intermittent functioning of my chart plotter (not needed on the lake but hopefully in future adventures). Third is to buy or maybe even build a dedicated tender dinghy so I don’t have to rely on the clubs. Throughout the summer the trailer will either be refurbished or I will be shopping for a new one.

I also need to figure out how to rig the jib on my CDI furler. All indications are that it will be easy but I can’t seem to wrap my head around the one line operation (Tasar furler has one line for in and one line for out) and although I have watched someone use a CDI before I still can’t remember how it functioned.

Heeling is fun to me but I am pretty afraid of putting the boat completely on its side, not because I dont want to get wet but beacuse I'm trying to convince family and friends that the X is a family friendly way to spend time on the water. I really need to experiment and see what sail configuration is best in which winds.

So that’s it in a nutshell, I’m sure I will have many questions in the future. I know we all love pictures so I’ll get those up as soon as I can.

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:35 am
by dlandersson
Don't forget that the newest owner buys the pizza. :D

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:36 am
by Steve K
millcity,
Welcome.
I'm sure you are going to really enjoy having a trailer sailor. I had a 26X for several years and they are good and roomy boats. I now own a 26D.

I thought I'd send you this link for the furler manual. 90% of X boats had the CDI furler. Hope this is helpful.

http://www.sailcdi.com/sailpdf/FF2%20manual%207_06.pdf

Best Breezes,
Steve K.
Mac 26D "Three Sheets" (and a breeze....... that's all we need) :wink:

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:50 pm
by mastreb
With the ballast tank full these boats are not going to knock down. The only way to get comfortable with heeling (and not to startle every time you suddenly heel) is to do it!

I'd oversheet the boat in 12 knots of wind and really get it over on it's side. You'll feel it firm right up around 15 degrees and get increasingly solid in the water as the boat heel increases.

The ideal heel for these boats is between 15..20 degrees, which isn't much compared to most keelboats. When you're not just practicing heeling, you'll want to keep heel to this range for best performance by managing the mainsheet and furling the headsail.

Sounds like you had a great time! Welcome to the forum.

Matt

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:12 pm
by NiceAft
to sacrifice speed for stability and comfort
Stability is not what you will find on a Mac :D You will get used to the extreme heeling. Going from a Sunfish to an :macx: is eye opening, and you will appreciate the luxury of the Mac.

Enjoy your boat. You're correct when you believe it's seems like a more costly boat than the purchase price reflects.

Welcome to the forum.

Ray

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:26 pm
by mrron_tx
Alright, more pizza :!: :!: Welcome :) Just take a leap of faith with that cdi furler , I , like You tried to question it also. Forget the single line and remember the other two that unfurl it .... afterall...it is called a cdi furler for a reason...LOL. Ron. :macm: Dauntless. BTW.... I studied abroad in Southeast asia in the 70's in the Army....and in some other desert regions during the 80's in the Navy. Welcome Home.

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:23 pm
by DaveC426913
Welcome!
millcity wrote: I also need to figure out how to rig the jib on my CDI furler. All indications are that it will be easy but I can’t seem to wrap my head around the one line operation (Tasar furler has one line for in and one line for out) and although I have watched someone use a CDI before I still can’t remember how it functioned.
One line operation? It's three line operation! The furling line, an unfurler on the port rail and another on the starboard! :D

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:28 pm
by Capt Smitty
Welcome Jay
millcity wrote:Heeling is fun to me but I am pretty afraid of putting the boat completely on its side, not because I dont want to get wet but beacuse I'm trying to convince family and friends that the X is a family friendly way to spend time on the water. I really need to experiment and see what sail configuration is best in which winds
I also was afraid to put my :macx: on it's side. Having no sailboat experience, I was afraid of swamping my boat, or falling overboard. :) The first time I heeled, to about 30 degrees, I immediately turned into the wind and stopped to catch my breath. :D I knew, to get past my fears, that I would have to push the envelope, and I wanted to know if the stories I'd read here were true. So, with an experienced sailor, we went out in 25+ mph winds and tried to get the mast wet. I was able to maintain control at 50 degrees of heel, and never got wet. She surprised us both, and I became quite confident after that.
I say go for it. It is fun to heel a Mac. But don't do so with anyone not familiar with your boat, it is scary if you don't believe that a :macx: can't sink and won't flip over.

Smitty

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:31 pm
by Gazmn
Welcome to da club Mil :)
Im gonna concentrate on 3rd:
Third is to buy or maybe even build a dedicated tender dinghy so I don’t have to rely on the clubs.
While it's a whole nother zip code, figuring out ur tender; I have a distraction "tender" to present to u and all.
http://www.towerpaddleboards.com/Inflat ... xp-pkg.htm. Ta da 8)

While u can "tender" -ize urself & 2-3 adventurous others while getting slightly to mostly wet while acclimating. You mentioned lake & club which screams localized, mooring or dockage. & this is a local fun machine u can strap to port or starboard & have LOADS of fun on anchored out.


Even in the rain

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Inflateable standup paddleboards are "boat friendly". They don't ding or scar the mothership & they fold away to practically nothing...


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Remember the Beer & Pizza...
-Gaz 8)

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:56 pm
by mastreb
One thing you might want to try as a confidence builder is to pull the boat over by the main halyard. Firmly cleat off the halyard to the mast, and take the halyard loose end with you to the dock. At the dock, use your longest dock lines to loosely re-cleat the bow and stern docklines so that the boat can move freely a few feet. Now walk back away from the boat with the loose end of the halyard such that it pulls the boat over from the top of the mast.

You'll see how much effort it takes to pull the boat over from the top of the mast--easy at first, and increasingly difficult as it comes over. The mast is a lever arm, so as you go lower down the mast it takes dramatically more power to rotate the boat.

It may give you the confidence to really heel the boat over.

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:30 am
by kevinnem
RE: healing -- if your out with friends and family, do youthink they would rather clock up range, or jsut putz about?

They are happy just being on teh boat, and playing around, there is no need to try and make a lot of speed, so if you have to sacrifice speed for comfort - do it every time, if your out with noobs, you will find they become more comfortable within hours.

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:56 am
by paulkayak
One thing I did to get comfortable heeling my boat is to watch all the videos I could find of people heeling there boat as far as they could and keep control. Just search YouTube for sailboat heel and sailing storm. Here are some videos I really found useful.

Here is a 26M at 45 degrees I would not try this but it is nice to see someone push the boat farther than I ever would.
http://youtu.be/PxmDYpj_lo8

Tom Scott has a lot of videos of Whimsy his Morgan 30 pushed over hard and he is sitting relaxed and comfy like he was in a recliner in his living room.
http://youtu.be/MbGs8De0cqo

Hunter capsize2 is a 30 sec video of these 3 guys attempting to do everything they can to get their sailboat to tip including hauling a large bag of something high on the mast. The boat recovers very nicely. I even try to get people that have never sailed to watch this video before coming out for the first time.
http://youtu.be/w00suzaDh_A

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:21 am
by millcity
Thanks for all the warm welcomes! That CDI manual clarified operation for me, the heeling advice will definitely help and the inflatable paddleboards seem like a great idea!

I will be sure to update the group on my progress and of course post some pics.

Pizza is on me, we have a place called "Sal's" where a slice is 1/4 of the pie. Just let me know when you are in Lowell.

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:05 pm
by Russ
Welcome to the group.

It sounds like you are learning very fast. You didn't mention any boating education you may have. I am a strong proponent of boating education. Some states mandate that boat operators take a boating course. The United State Power Squadron (http://www.usps.org/) offers great boating courses.

Your problems with anchoring in sandy bottom may have been a technique issue. I see so many people toss the anchor over the side with minimum amount of rode and expect it to catch. It must be set properly. Sandy bottoms can be a challenge, but paying out plenty of anchor rode and gently setting the anchor can provide good results.

Enjoy your boat and post questions here. You will find this forum (as many of us do) invaluable for information and advice.

--Russ

Re: New member, new owner!

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:11 pm
by NiceAft
Just to conect some numbers to what Russ said; I let out seven feet of rode for every foot of depth. That does not include the chain, and that is not for gusty situations. For that I let out 10 to 1.

Ray