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Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:08 pm
by Duquette5
Wife and I went and looked at an early ('96?) X this evening a few towns over. It's rough and will need a lot of glass work on the bottom of the hull. I'm not afraid of doing glass work but... This one looks like it may have slipped of a trailer at one point and someone started to prep the work by cutting out some rectangular areas on the hull. Now for the questions:

Are the stringers in a 26X just hollow fiberglass stringers?
Can someone share a diagram of where the ballast tank sits in an X?

The price is right and we've still got the :mac19: to play in if I pick this one up and begin working on it.

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:56 pm
by NiceAft
Can someone share a diagram of where the ballast tank sits in an X?
Image

The photo came from the “96 Mac” manual that you can see for yourself in the “sources” section.

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:39 am
by Duquette5
NiceAft wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:56 pm
Can someone share a diagram of where the ballast tank sits in an X?
Image

The photo came from the “96 Mac” manual that you can see for yourself in the “sources” section.
Nope, I definitely looked at an X but it had a gate valve on the transom offset to the starboard side. Which tells me what I thought was a stringer is actually a part of the water ballast tank. After reviewing some of the pics I took last night and thinking about the location and extent of damage I'm going to pass. Either this X fell off a trailer and was drug a short distance or some sort of accident that caused the damage.

I'm not afraid of glass work but this would require separating the deck and hull and pulling the cabin liner out to properly repair the ballast tank and hull. I hate to say it but I think this one may be too far gone :(

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:51 am
by svscott
Can you upload some pics of the damaged areas?

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:32 am
by Starscream
A heavily damaged X that requires a lot of work doesn't seem to be a logical choice. After a ton of time effort and $$$, and if it's perfectly repaired, you have a boat worth maybe $10k (without the engine).

In my opinion, a boat like that would be worth the value of the parts that you could use from it, minus the cost of scrapping the rest.

If nice X's were going for $50k upward, then maybe, but nice X's with good motors and lots of options can be had at $20k. With no fiberglass work required.

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:33 am
by DaveC426913
Duquette5 wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:39 am I'm not afraid of glass work but this would require separating the deck and hull and pulling the cabin liner out to properly repair the ballast tank and hull.
I have a funny feeling you're the expert in this field - as in: I doubt anyone here can tell you anything you don't already know, or aren't brave enough to jump into head first.

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:02 pm
by ris
I agree with starscream. There are much better Macs out there. Might take a while but keep searching the net.

Richard

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:07 pm
by pitchpolehobie
Where are you located?

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:41 pm
by NiceAft
pitchpolehobie wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:07 pm Where are you located?
Somewhere in Massachusetts.

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:22 pm
by DaveC426913
NiceAft wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:41 pm
pitchpolehobie wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:07 pm Where are you located?
Somewhere in Massachusetts.
:D :D
Have you tried walking in a straight line until you come across a road?

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:04 pm
by Duquette5
pitchpolehobie wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:07 pm Where are you located?
I'm in Spencer, MA the X I looked at is up in Fitchburg, MA.

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:49 pm
by NiceAft
DaveC426913 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:22 pm
NiceAft wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:41 pm
pitchpolehobie wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:07 pm Where are you located?
Somewhere in Massachusetts.
:D :D
Have you tried walking in a straight line until you come across a road?
Since pitchpolehobi is in Ohio, I though the answer was sufficient. To actually answer your question; “not while I’m drinking.”
:D

Re: Looked at an X tonight and have Questions

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:33 pm
by OverEasy
Hi DaveC426913!

You can find what ballast tank location information there is in the “RESOURCES” section of the website the link is below:
https://macgregorsailors.com/resources/ ... l_1995.pdf

If for some reason that doesn’t work go to the ‘Main Site’ (at the top of this page) tap it and then tap ‘Resources’.

Look for not only the ‘manual’ but further down you will find ‘brochures’ and drawings that can help you.
There aren’t any dimensions per-se of the ballast tank but you can get a general idea of geometry.

Note1:The scaling from the drawings/images may me disappointing as what was published were only for general references and conceptualizations, not detail repair/modification work.

Note 2: The separation of the top deck and inner liner(s) is something of a real task that would be best accomplished with a shop and a crane or gantry hoist. To safely hoist the top deck you may find it beneficial to remove the side windows to slip your lifting straps through and keeping an eye on the balance.

Note 3: You May find that after all the work of Note 1 & 2 that the bottom inner liner is already blind fiberglassed to the outer hull in multiple locations and areas that are inaccessible.

Note 4: if you are up to it I believe that one would NOT need to separate the top deck and bottom line from the hull to make a fully appropriate repair to the hull and ballast tank structure. Repairs of this nature are accomplished regularly by professionals on much more complex vessels than MacGregors without needing access to both sides.

The process is to make and insert incremental splice shells that overlap on the interior surface of the hull for the damaged areas that are then wetted with fiberglass/resin then pulled gently into contact and allowed to cure. The pulling loops are removed and then the remaining void recess is gradually filled in with multiple fitted and resin wetted fiberglass pieces to get back to the original hull contours. Make sure that there is a generous (30:1 or more) feather edge on the external surface perimeter of the damage area to allow for proper bonding of the patch to the existing hull.

NONE OF THIS REQUIRES SEPARATING ANY DECKS OR LINERS TO ACCOMPLISH.

To make the fiberglass insert pieces one typically has a large sheet of THICK glass sufficient to layup the geometry of the required inserts.

Make oaktag or Manila (folder) cutouts of the various inserts then once you have something that works make fiberglass cloth cut outs of the flat shape and apply resin to it on the glass rolling it out flat. Let cure and gently remove. these are inserts, not whole repair sections generally. Repeat until you have what you need to provide the insert backers you need.

Where possible have an overlap of about 1 to 1-1/2 inches.

Clean and scuff the interior surface of the repair area and clean again to remove any traces of waxes or dirt or dust.
Clean and scuff the mating surfaces of the inserts exterior faces and contact areas and clean again to remove any traces of waxes or dirt or dust.

By this kind of a process you can reconstruct just about any damaged area without ever gaining general access to the interior surfaces of the hull.

MacGregors were made using polyester resin. Repairs generally are done using the same resins wherever possible.
While Epoxy resin will bond to Polyester resin the reverse doesn’t work.

Good luck!
Should be a good project to follow!

Best Regards,
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈