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Boat slip woes

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:48 pm
by EvenKeel16
HI Guys,

Happy Saturday! As i mentioned on my last post - yes working on the motor mount transom area. i have to get the honda 9.9 off first in order to do the repair on the top - wear the motor sits. Maybe i can get some help this week. my boat is in a slip now so not as easy. so that my topic of the day.

not so sure a slip is worth it. I'll try it this year and see how it goes. a few question have come up that i need some input on

- you guys that have your boats in a slip - do you keep your rudder up or down?

- even on full tilt i cant seem to get all the motor out of the water - the prop is still in. i have a honda 9.9 . im worried about the prop assembly setting in salt water.

- lastly flushing the engine after having it out with fresh water after coming in. What are you guys doing about that?

- oh added a picture of my boat. check out the monster structure the previous owner installed on the stern. it comes in handy but i dont know if i'll keep it on there.




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Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:39 pm
by NiceAft
For a variety of reasons, which are not applicable to this post, I no longer keep Nice Aft in a slip, but I did once, and enjoyed it.

Walking down the dock,stepping into the cockpit, turning the key, is much nicer than launching and rigging the boat.

I also kept the rudders up. There is no function to keeping them down. They also stay cleaner up.

I was slipped in a river, so I have no experience with salt water.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:08 pm
by Russ
I keep rudders up.

I keep fenders on the dock and dock lines on the dock.

Maybe there is an adjustment for max tilt. Mine has one. Shouldn't hurt to let prop stay wet.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:06 am
by dlandersson
When in the slip, rudders up, outboard up, keel up. 8)

If I'm working on something, that's another matter.
EvenKeel16 wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:48 pm HI Guys,

Happy Saturday! As i mentioned on my last post - yes working on the motor mount transom area. i have to get the honda 9.9 off first in order to do the repair on the top - wear the motor sits. Maybe i can get some help this week. my boat is in a slip now so not as easy. so that my topic of the day.

not so sure a slip is worth it. I'll try it this year and see how it goes. a few question have come up that i need some input on

- you guys that have your boats in a slip - do you keep your rudder up or down?

- even on full tilt i cant seem to get all the motor out of the water - the prop is still in. i have a honda 9.9 . im worried about the prop assembly setting in salt water.

- lastly flushing the engine after having it out with fresh water after coming in. What are you guys doing about that?

- oh added a picture of my boat. check out the monster structure the previous owner installed on the stern. it comes in handy but i dont know if i'll keep it on there.




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Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:36 am
by NiceAft
Keeping the motor up was always a conundrum to me.

I would see that with the motor out of the water, it stayed cleaner, but then I remembered my boat mechanic telling me that when on the trailer, ALWAYS keep the motor in the down position.

So, I would then start thinking that if on the trailer, the motor should be down, why not at the dock, it’s the same position :?:

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:43 am
by Stickinthemud57
- you guys that have your boats in a slip - do you keep your rudder up or down? RUDDER UP TO PREVENT FOULING

- even on full tilt i cant seem to get all the motor out of the water - the prop is still in. i have a honda 9.9 . im worried about the prop assembly setting in salt water. YOU REALLY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO REMEDY THIS. IT'S NOT GOOD IN FRESH WATER, AND REALLY NOT GOOD IN SALT WATER. THE PROP IS A PROBLEM, BUT THE LOWER END WILL SUFFER AS WELL. SURELY THERE IS A MOUNT THAT WILL GET IT OUT OF THE WATER? FLUSHING AFTER USE IS REQUISITE AS WELL.

- lastly flushing the engine after having it out with fresh water after coming in. What are you guys doing about that? I USE THE "EAR MUFFS". THIS WILL, OF COURSE, REQUIRE FRESH WATER SUPPLY AT YOUR SLIP (OR CLOSE BY), AND FROM THE LOOKS OF YOUR SLIP, WILL REQUIRE YOU BACK THE BOAT IN IN ORDER TO GET TO THE MOTOR. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mar ... fffda3b219

- oh added a picture of my boat. check out the monster structure the previous owner installed on the stern. it comes in handy but i dont know if i'll keep it on there. IS THAT A BIMINI TOP SUPPORT? WE LOVE OUR BIMINI TOP, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT FRAME WOULD GET IN THE WAY OF THE BOOM. I RE-CONFIGURED OURS TO ALLOW USE UNDER SAIL.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:47 am
by OverEasy
Hi EvenKeel16!

We loved having a slip in 2021!
It was a great decision for us! 8) 8)

We are pretty frugal and the cost/benefit analysis (yes I’m an engineer) was very positive for us to use a slip!
We spent 3 months in SC to explore the estuaries and 70 nights in VT exploring Lake Champlain.
For us the decision was perfect. 8) 8)

In SC we rented a slip for three months with electric and water.
Water was nice to rinse the boat and electric was nice for ensuring the batteries stayed topped off, use of a fan, 12VDC converter for our Thermionic cooler and induction cooktop while in the slip. There was a handy marine fuel dock, a small ships store, shore facilities (bathrooms & showers, picnic gazebo & grills, dog walk, lawn lounge) and a nice open deck restaurant with spaced out seating which was really appreciated due to the Covid-19 considerations.

In VT we spent 70 nights on Lake Champlain from late August to mid November experiencing the change from the heat of Summer to the ice of early Winter. This was also a pair of slips with water and electric. For this part of our journey the electric was appreciated for running the new A/C during the hot weather to cool things down in the cabin and to dehumidify. We also used electric heat when the weather gradually dropped down to below freezing in October and November. Both worked great! We also ran our induction cooktop and 12VDC converter for our Thermionic cooler.

For us a slip was a great choice as it allowed us to spend 4 days a week on average out on the water cruising and exploring.
In SC it allowed us to skip the hours long ‘pre-prep/drive/prep/launch/find-a-place-to-park & dock/find-the-trailer/haul-out/de-prep/drive/park/clean-up” cycle each time we wanted to go out. It allowed us to avoid all the launch ramp drama of everyone wanting to get in, fighting over limited parking spots, maneuvering in crowded areas (land & water), get out and the inevitable pseudo-dramas of shallow egos vs perceived slights (especially on weekends). Instead we had the joy of getting to the marina 15 minutes away from our home in a normal car to the marina with sufficient parking, walk to our boat, untie the lines, get fuel if needed, and enjoy cruising the estuaries. The return was just as relaxing.

In VT it allowed us to live aboard our boat for the first time for an extended period of time. There the shore facilities were very much appreciated. We had a secure place to park our trailer and a convenient spot for our van. This also included a laundry and easy access to groceries, pizza, restaurants and other shoreside amenities.

The daily slip cost in SC was about $13 a day and in VT it was about $20 a day.
The convenience was worth it to us and allowed us to spend our time out and about on the water.
The key to us was to actually use our boat as often as possible (4+ full days a week = 17+ days a month)

We wouldn’t have gone with a slip if we were only using the boat only 3 or 4 days a month.

As far as the engine aspect….
Our situation is different from yours in that our engine swings up clear of the water and fully drains.
We keep sacrificial zinc anodes in the water attached to our engine mount.
I wouldn’t leave an engine in water (salt/brackish or fresh) if that could be avoided.

( Hi NiceAft: I believe the only reason t have a motor in the down position is that the “up-lock” on some engines may not stay in place or are possibly insufficient to handle the road induced loads while traveling. The ‘up-lock’ on our Tohatsu 50 is fairly robust and I add a safety wire wrap to it while traveling to ensure it stays in place. The engine induced moment load on the transom is more balanced with the engine up. (With the engine down all the weight is aft of the transom and when vertical loads (from bumps and potholes) are incurred the weight is leveraging the engine off the transom. There is also the ground clearance issue with the engine down that I’m concerned with. Some people add support wedges to help keep their engines up and distribute the load to the transom. (This is something I’m considering doing on a precautionary ‘belt & suspenders’ basis.) We do move our engine to the down position when storing the boat on the trailer for access and flushing once we are home but raise it back up for traveling any distance. We generally try and tie a flag or streamer on the prop while in transit but will be moving to a lighted “running and brake lights” bracket in the fall.)

We keep our Mac26X rudders fully up when not in active use.
This avoids a host of potential issues including marine growth fouling.

While clean fresh water flushing is never a bad idea, our current engine isn’t set up to easily accomplish this while on the water as it requires the use of those flushing “ear muffs” (and I’m just not that dexterous :D :D ). Our new engine has a garden hose connection…I’m wondering if I can possibly put an adapter so I can connect to it while standing in the aft deck area (without being a contortionist! :D :D )…🤔

We did experience some marine growth when in SC while in the water so that is something to consider.🤔
We believe this was due to not only the warm brackish water but mostly due to the 20 year old aged-out/worn-out bottom & ablative paint which we had removed and replaced prior to our journey up to Lake Champlain. We also had our swing keel and rudders done at the same time.

We hope you get out and about on the water as frequently as possible to enjoy your boat while you have a slip.
It was worth it to us and hope the same for you!

Best Regards
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:08 pm
by NiceAft
Hi OverEasy,

I realize now that I may not have been very clear. When I said that the motor is down while on the trailer, I should have been more specific; only while the trailer is not moving, i.e. sitting in my driveway. It is never down while moving.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:57 pm
by Sheppie62
We keep the rudders up and the center board down ( to allow bottom cleaner access). In a marina there can be electrolysis from other boats electrical problems (or yours), that will eat away at metals touching the water. The pin on my centerboard had been eaten away from this, looked like tiny metal termites had eaten into it. We keep the motor up. Another MacGregor owner had an issue with his tilt hydraulics so he used a shop vac in the blowing position and hooked it into the ballast tank vent, opened rear valve and blew the water out of the ballast tank. This raised the boat enough to get motor out of the water. He also used a plastic trash can sometimes. I suppose you could just put the trash can under the motor while it’s on the water, then pump salt water out/ then flush with tap water.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:22 am
by adudinsk
I dock in Lake St. Clair. (Fresh Water)
26M
When I dock, I leave everything I can up..
Motor still hangs A BIT in the water. I just make sure the bottom and transom lift anodes are good..
As well I change the engine block anodes all the time. (1-2 years old). There is 4 of them in the engine block.

No issues..

Salt water would possibly hammer the anodes.. and you may have to change the metal in them.
Salt water - Aluminum
Fresh water = Magnesium
Zinc... mostly going away... adequate in saltwater NOT fresh or brackish.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:44 am
by OverEasy
Hi All!

Great point & thoughts on the galvanic corrosion!
Yes, that has happened to us as well!

We replace our swing keel pin prior to putting Over Easy in the water down in SC as it was already eaten into. We made a new one from 304 SST. We dressed the transom mount zinc to expose new metal surface.

Three months later when we hauled out for bottom cleaning and new bottom primer & ablative the new pin had already been attacked almost as badly as the prior one! Fribble!

After that we pulled the keel bracket and found it was also eaten into as well but could be cleaned and dressed. Same for the engine transom bracket Zinc.

We made yet another pin but this time we added zinc washers to both sides where the pin goes through the keel. As we get Over Easy ready for this year one of the chores is to pull the bracket and pin again to inspect them after having spent 70 nites on Lake Champlain. Should be interesting to see what it looks like.

I think we will pre-emptively order a new swing keel bracket and pin from BWY instead of making new ones ourselves. Too much to do and too little time this season. Ideally I’d have liked to have made custom ones out of 316L SST with the ability to inspect/add/change the sacrificial anode material w/o having to drop the swing keel. Maybe this coming winter project list 🤔.

Best Regards
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:07 am
by Russ
adudinsk wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:22 am Salt water would possibly hammer the anodes.. and you may have to change the metal in them.
Salt water - Aluminum
Fresh water = Magnesium
Zinc... mostly going away... adequate in saltwater NOT fresh or brackish.
Until recently, I didn't know there were different types of anodes. Thanks to the wise folks on this forum for educating me.
Last year I changed all the anodes on my motor, however, the old ones looked pretty good. Maybe because I tilt it out of the water.
I also didn't know outboards have internal anodes on the block. Again, thanks to this forum for educating me.

I'm always a bit confused between galvanic corrosion and electrolysis. The latter I guess is caused by faulty wiring in a marina or boat. Which could also cause electrical shock. Being shocked is more likely in a fresh water basin because it doesn't carry electricity as well until it reaches a human body. But it can also eat up submerged metals.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:03 pm
by Stickinthemud57
OK, pardon me if this was answered in the information offered by others.

I keep my boat in a slip on a freshwater lake. I always pull the motor up. Centerboard stays down.

Do I need anodic protection in such a situation?

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:54 pm
by EvenKeel16
Thanks for all in advice so far guys! i'm kinda thinking having the boat in a salt water slip is a lot more trouble than it worth but i'll give it another couple months. Seems like less maintenance having it on the trailer.

i have to figure out how to get the motor all the way out of the water.

anyone know where i can get a ray marine st1000 male plug? mine is hardwired in and i cannot disconnect to store when not in use (see pics). i have the female plug.

Re: Boat slip woes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:25 pm
by Russ
If you use the boat often, in my opinion, it's far less work to keep the boat in a slip. The rigging and launch process is a lot of work. Even if you store it mast up, waiting on a launch can be a hassle compared to walking on, open up and go.

When I boated in salt water, I never knew anyone in a slip that flushed the motor until the end of the season at haul out.

Keep in mind, you really should flush your trailer with fresh water after dunking it in salt water. The steel frame and tongue is known to rust from the inside out.

Cost is a big factor. One of the benefits of a trailer boat is being able to save on slip fees.