Page 1 of 1

SHOCKINGOLD SAGGING HYDRO TRANSMISSION LINES

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:40 pm
by Jedaro
SHOCKINGOLD SAGGING HYDRO TRANSMISSION LINES

Last week my wife and I motored and sailed through the Rideau Canal from downtown Ottawa to Kingston Ontario. It was a great trip through an historic waterway, although the heat and humidity were stifling at times. As we went under hydro transmission lines my wife who was at the wheel felt a shock. As our mast was stepped to a height of 18 feet (see mod for mast support extender) we felt we had sufficient distance from the chart heights of the hydro lines but because of the metal mast I think there was an induced current from the electromagnetic field around the wires made worse from the sagging and by the high relative humidity in the air. (Kirchoffs laws ? from 1st year physics, maybe). This, I hypothesize, was made more dangerous by the extra sagging caused by the age of the wires and the expansion caused by the intense heat. The lockmasters had never heard of this and could not verify the chart heights of the wires. I have included a local news article from 2004 in which one of the sailors Cathy Melnychuck, who I had worked with when teaching, died from her burns a month after she was electrocuted while sailing. For those of you who must sail or motor near power lines this could be an issue especially during hot, humid weather.


Cruise Lines
Sailors Shocked On Gatineau CruiseAug 06, 2004
Hydro-Quebec blames a sagging power line for an accident that sent three women sailors to hospital with burns earlier this week. The power company admitted on Wednesday that the line, which carries 120,000 volts of electricity, had dropped below the standard 12-metre height. "The manager told me he's been in his office since 14 years and he's never seen that," said Pierre Dupuis, a Hydro-Quebec spokesperson.Muriel How, who owns the 21-foot sailboat the three were using for their cruise on Monday, was knocked unconscious in the accident while Cathy Melnychuck suffered second-degree burns. Annette Brand was also burned. How and Brand are in their 70s. Melnychuck is 50. "I remember nothing," How said on Wednesday. "We were talking and then the next thing I remember, I was in the ambulance." Witnesses said they saw a flash, heard a bang and then the boat was on fire. How said she had sailed in the area for years, and under the power lines in her Matilda sailboat many times. But Monday was different. Officials said they aren't sure whether the boat's 7.2-metre mast actually touched the power line or if it just got close enough for the 120,000 volts in the line to arc.

I'll be off sailing on Lake Ontario and the Thousand Islands for the next week or twp hoping to avoid lightning and transmission lines.
Mike Purdy
Jedaro
.

[img] :macx:

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:53 pm
by Catigale
Wow,thats nasty...

I havent done the calculation, but my guess is the effect of humidity on inductive coupling between a wire and mast isnt big....I bet it happens in hot weather because the electrical load on the wire is so much higher!!

(On the off topic of humid air, its common for baseball sportscasters to say the 'humid air' slows the ball up when in fact humid air is less dense and speeds the ball up)

7 meters is about a 23 foot mast, and 12 meters is 40 feet - this means you can get shocked despite having a mast lengths clearance from the wire!!

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:02 pm
by sailpsych
The additional deterioation of the insulation on the wires due to age may also be a factor.

B

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:09 pm
by Catigale
Educating myself a bit on this topic I thought 13.8kV was the highest transmission lines go....but it turns out 1 mega Volt is the highest and 0.5 MegaVolt is typical See here
the power line or if it just got close enough for the 120,000 volts in the line to arc.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:59 pm
by Greg
750kv, 500kv, 230kv, 138kv, 115kv, 69kv are common transmission and subtransmission voltages in the US. 13.8kv is distribution voltage. There is no insulation on transmission wires and even on distribution wires unless in a heavily tree'd area where insulated tree wire is used.

Greg

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:26 pm
by craiglaforce
Sounds to me like, as you say the mast cuts through the oscillating B field and gets inductively coupled, generating oscillating potentials at the ends of the mast.

The wires would of course be uninsulated for transmissiob lines. If you drew an arc off a transmission line, you would know it!

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:24 pm
by Catigale
Actually Craig, I think you wouldnt know it...

:P

Deadly power lines

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:20 pm
by Bill ( My Pleasure)
A similar accident killed two sailors on the San Juaquin River near Stockton, California about 2 years ago. I think that the boat was a 24 foot Balboa. You wouldn't think power lines would be that low but unfortuately some are.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:30 pm
by craiglaforce
One time at one of our plants I watched the shift supervisor turn a crank to open a set of 138 kv knife disconnect switches. Even with the vaccuum breakers opened, the thing still drew an arc for a few feet. It was very noticable.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:26 pm
by waternwaves
I wouldnt notice it if I was dead either....... :? heheheheh

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:28 pm
by waternwaves
oops

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:11 am
by craiglaforce
Oh, Duh, I get the joke now. I was a little slow witted yesterday after spending aobut 8 hours pulling and replacing the carbs in thousand degree heat. Plus I have to hike up and down on a 100 foot high cliff to get to the boat.
Oklahoma will either get me in shape or kill me.