A New 33' Quasi Mac?

[markaram]

Hi Everybody
what a great forum topic on a new Macgregor sailboat design.
At 33' length she would be very low beam to make her road
trailerable.
how about a shorter boat at about 30' length witha
8' beam. Excellent sailing performance over below
space and comfort ability, would place this boat in position to
be an affordable racer/cruiser with semi bluewater capability.
something like a mini Mac65 downsized to 30 to 33 ft. length
overall.
I love this idea, whad di ya think??

Mark Segala
M21
Toronto
Great Lakes

[capt. black]

I would love to own a Mac powersailer with a little more space beam and length wise.
This boat when motored will travel at speed of 22+ mph. I would like see a Mac powersailer that is 30 ft in length with a beam of 8ft 6inches. I would not find myself trailing this boat much. I rent a slip each year. This boat with the right comforts would be a home away from home!

[Bumpcity]

I have been following this discussion board since it started...and to say the least, I am very excited about this concept and design. I own a 2008 (almost two years old) Mac 26M that I have sailed in the San Francisco Bay and at our local lake (Lake Sonoma). I know it has been said, but the idea of having a 30-33 foot Macgregor is such a great idea...I think it would sell very well for a lot of reasons. The current space below is awesome for the size of the vessel, however, I would like to see the following issues addressed in the design:

1. The cockpit is a bit small and should be increased...stern rail seating should be standard
2. There definitely needs to be some walking space on the side decks to properly move forward quickly and safely
3. Real Windows (at least two on the deck to allow airflow and one where the front hatch is...however make it see through for better lighting)
4. Standing room in the head with shower capabilities
5. Pre-wired rigging for any and all types of electronics...including speaker wires and IPOD jacks which could be attached to the stereo (no matter where you mounted it) ALL OF THIS IS PRE-WIRED SO THE NEW OWNER CAN DECIDE WHAT CREATURE COMFORTS THEY WANT AND CAN AFFORD...THIS WILL KEEP THE COST DOWN AND ALLOW FOR EASILY INSTALLABLE UPGRADES IN THE FUTURE
6. A beefed up bulkhead that allows the mounting of a 20-32 inch flat screen T.V. (with an AC/DC outlet )
7. An icebock...not an icechest...This is a must for 2-10 day cruises
8. A holding tank and macerator
9. A bildge pump (hand operated or electric)
10. Enclosed state rooms including the V-berth for privacy
11. Propane stove and heater (the heater can be small and simple...it should heat up pretty fast with such a narrow beam)

OK that is my wishlist for now...however, I also think there should be some serious effort in making this boat an offshore capable vessel. Most Macgregor sailors like the storage and moveability of their vessels for obvious reasons...however, I am sure that most of us would also like the ability to safely sail to Mexico or the Bahamas or Hawaii...I know I would love to sail the Baja Haha one year, however I do not want to give up my Macgregor...I love this boat and it's capabilities, however I also want something a little more stable for offshore travel.

Lorenzo

[ralphk]

Art's photos as promised.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[Moe]

Wow! This is awesome--a real sailboat! It looks like 4-5 feet of headroom from the cabin sole.

I like the interior almost just the way it is, with the side berths capable of lee cloth hooks in the overhead.

The cabinet to port with the sink is okay, but the one to starboard should have a much lower countertop with recessed, dual-burner stove.

The v-berth area should be converted to a head, ala Cape Dory 25D, and storage. Perhaps a 50 quart 5-day cooler holder on each side of a potty centered further forward in the V. There is plenty of room for a windlass and large chain locker forward.

The keel trunk should be covered with an oval wood coffee table with recessed drink holders.

I'd like to see a view of the interior looking aft from forward.

Perhaps no aft berth is needed. That would allow for deep cockpit lockers on both sides, with a wet locker inside, forward of each cockpit locker. I like the idea of propane locker and aft chain locker aft of the cockpit lockers. Frankly, a sail drive and large fuel tank may fit below the cockpit sole, centered between the cockpit lockers.

[edit] I could do without the Rainbow Coalition paint job though!

[AWKIII]

Okay.

Now that we have a few pictures, please note the following:

1. These are photos of the One Design Racer. Moe is right when he estimated that headroom was about 4' 6". One Design boats are designed and built to a strict standard with the understanding that they will primarily race against each other in a class format. The interior is generally spartan so that owners cannot unfairly "lighten" the boat. However, they certainly can add things.

As there are 200 of this design currently sailing and racing, we will continue to build this model. It will be very affordable. As mentioned previously, please note that the boat has gone through a re-design of the transom and cockpit. It has already been approved by the Class Association and there will be no penalty as far as it's rating.

2. I agree the rainbow paint job is "different". It was a custom job requested by the buyer. The boat's standard color will be white with your choice of striping color. Several additional colors will be available as an option.

3. The cruising model will be built from the One Design platform. Take a look at the picture of the boat on the trailer. As you can see, there is so much to work with. There will be no problem increasing cabin headroom as size.

The boat is called the Hobie 33. It was designed by Hobie Alter Sr. as a trailerable sailboat that sails extremely well and is easily rigged and launched. There is promotional literature that shows Hobie's young daughter rigging and launching the boat by herself.

I am thrilled to be able to acquire the tooling from Spartan Marine. Perhaps the most exciting part of this project is that Hobie Alter, Sr., Hobie Alter, Jr. and Robbie Roberson will all be involved in assisting us in bringing this project to fruition. Robbie was one of the very first employees at Hobie and was involved in the development and introduction of the 33.

As mentioned, we are currently building two boats concurrently. One is the newly re-designed One Design. We will have her race ready and plan to enter her in the Newport to Ensenada race in April. World Champion sailor Hobie Alter, Jr. has expressed a desire to take the helm. A 20 year old Hobie 33 won her division last year.

The cruising version will be built along side the One Design. Everyone is excited about the potential this boat has. Everyone involved in the project knows you folks have been working on the interior design and are fascinated that there is such interest.

Hope this info provides a little more background into the method behind the madness.

Regards,

Art

[Russ]

There's lots of stuff on this boat.

Rainbow at sea




Interior


Crash tests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHhg5600Y

One that got in a wreck on the road


Pretty boat under sail

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Now that I have seen the interior pictures I think the adapted dragonfly layout we have been looking at is even more appropriate. Take the space where the two cabinet units are and make that area the head. The aft wall lines up with the compression post. Change the port seating to be a long U shape with the table on the keel trunk. Pull out the starboard seating and put in a nice long galley. Leave the aft berth access completely open all the way across with a flip up SS ladder.

Full standing headroom must be maintained all the way forward through the head compartment. I would go with a walk over cabin roof design ala the Mac to maximize interior space instead of the racing walk around design. This will let the seating push outboard a bit.

You might pull 6" of front to back width out of the current cabinet area that becomes the head to add a little length to the vee berth. Keep the aft head wall lined up on the compression post, the interior head width could be about 28"-30". Keep the compartment full width, head to port, sink to starboard. sliding doors in both the aft wall and at the vee berth wall. The vee berth door does not need to go to floor level and is wider than the aft head door.

Is there an existing floorplan drawing for the Hobe 33? It would seem easiest to start with that so we have the compression post and keel trunk in the exact right places.

[Richard O'Brien]

Here's a new drawing based on what I've learned about the Hobie 33. Sorry Duane, I didn't see your new post until just now. Dimensions are only approximate. Think of these as quick sketches (not for construction). OOPs! I forgot the door on the head.

[Don T]

Hello,
I haven't chimed in, just lurking on this thread, but ended up fooling around with the drawings a bit. I think you might still consider moving the head aft of the table, moving the table forward centered on the trunk. That way it's possible for people to get in and out of the settee from both ends. People coming down from the cockpit to the head won't interrupt other activities. The head could also be thought of as part of the aft berth area with 2 doors. I'll work on it some more tonight to see if I can refine some other ideas I had. You guys definitly have more time than I do, it takes a long think to work all this out. If I could work out how to get just a little leg room around the forward end of the trunk and still have a big enough head forward.

Don

PS: Hi Duane, nice snow eh?

[Richard O'Brien]

Hi Don

It looks to me like the aft berth needs to be like two sleeping tubes, with no or little room underneath the cockpit. This requires two separate access doors. I found a line drawing of the 33, and tried to line up the galley table on it end to end. I.E. the oval table exactly fits the keel trunk. It did not leave room for one to slide out without hitting their knees.

If we add length to accommodate the knees, the table might get a bit too long, but I can delete that little cushion block on the forward end, then try to make it 8-10" longer to allow room to slide in? If you can draw or suggest options, they are much welcome.

Richard

[AWKIII]

Hi Richard.

The boat in its present configuration will not allow for a double aft.

However, we will be adding sheer or freeboard to it which will provide more room.

I think it is safe to say we will have a double when all is said and done but I am not sure it will be able to be accessed from the center line (below the companion way steps).

The way we handled this on the Freedom's was to create an aft stateroom where you would sleep horizontally instead of vertically. It's not a bad arrangement at all.

Hunter has also used this arrangement on several of its models including the Edge.

Art

[Don T]

Hello,
I must be optically diluted??? The sparse line drawing spec'd out the trunk @ 2'10" I believe but in the latest picture of the racing interior the trunk looks longer than that.

Don

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

That last one is interesting, kinda the flip version of what I was talking about except I'd still like to see one with a full width head.

I'd leave out the little standup areas for the two aft cubbies and just make the whole aft area open. The are very small and I don't see they serve a purpose in this size boat. We actually have used room darkening fabric curtains to block off the aft area in our X with good success. No rods or other slides needed. Just a cut to fit panel with female snaps on the fabric and male snap studs screwed into the wall. This provides privacy for sleeping yet easy open access. If someone needs privacy for dressing they can go forward to larger full width head to change.

I'd make the galley quite a bit bigger. That one is Mac sized and we want a real galley with useful counter area to work while cruising. I'd think at least half again as long. Forward of that could be a seat or just the wall in the version with the full width head that lines up with the compression post.

You said you found a line drawing of the Hobie 33 interior? Can you post it somewhere or send it to me? Does it show the real compression post location and the full length and shape of the keel trunk?

[Indulgence]

The Admiral and I just saw the latest design pics.
We love the semi-circular banquette s'board side. That is perfect!
Yeah, put in a settee portside and even allow for a flip up table
extension to port. But this is really starting to look smart to us!

I mentioned how we all pretty much dissed the need for a nav table.
She said, " put in the nav table/area anyway, but allow for multiple use
with storage underneath." Added to the f'ward end of the galley could
provide additional counter space, always a plus. Maybe it folds away
when not in use and settee becomes a single berth?

I need offers on a well equipped '98 26X by next year.

Laurie (and Janet)!