Hailyard and downhaul led aft

[Mistral]

I have just ordered the KH C2000 main sail and Doyle sailcover, which hopefully arrive shortly. I am thinking of bringing the hailyard and downhaul back to the cockpit, but am not a 100% sure how or which is the best way. Does anybody have any pictures of their arrangement to give me an idea? I do not particularly want to cluutter the deck either as it so easy to walk on, etc.

Any ideas and thoughts are welcome

Dirk

[opie]

I may be helpful to us, in order to help you, to have you post a picture of your mast base and a picture of the left and right top side of the boat perpendicular to the mast so that we can see what hardware you already have that can be used for your halyard and downhaul lines and what needs to be added. Without those pics I can only guess that you have a bail on the mast base for your boom vang. If so you can add two blocks onto it, one for the halyard and one for the downhaul. A block would be useful on the port or starboard side of the boat to lead the lines aft. On mine, I had a block on the starboard deck to turn my halyard aft and I cinch it at the hatch cover rear area. On the port, I just run my downhaul from the mast block to the port stanchion near the cockpit and tie it off. I really should have a block or fairlead to guide it, but it works ok. I used candle wax on the mast sail slot to allow the sail to drop easier when I release the halyard, and then pull the rest down with the downhaul. Doing this mod on your boat will be well worth it. I do not have to go to the mast to raise or lower the sail. Sweet.

[Mistral]

Hello Opie,
Thanks for your prompt reply. Maybe you sleep as little as I do.

At the moment I have only the bail for the boomvang on the base at the mast and not other blocks, etc, Just the standard set up.

[beene]

Good morning

Ideas

Bottom of mast, line for main and headsail halyard...


Side view and showing block attached to stansion for both halyard and keel lines lead aft....


Lines lead aft from there to these on each side......


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Cheers

G

[opie]

Mistral,
Beene has a great way of doing it, but I am a cheap and lazy bastaxd, so I just use two of these
on my boom vang bail and leave it at that. (My boat is std also and I have two blocks to the starboard of the mast, one for the centerboard and one for the mainsail halyard. As I mentioned before, the line to haul down the mainsail is just run from the block aft and tied out of the way. So I did not have to drill any holes to get the desired actions, but It is not as "salty" and correct as Beene's method, of course.

[The Mutt]

G'Day Beene and opie

What size blocks are you using?

Glenn

[Gerry the fish]

Good morning

Ideas

Bottom of mast, line for main and headsail halyard...
Side view and showing block attached to stansion for both halyard and keel lines lead aft....
Lines lead aft from there to these on each side......

Thats genious - no screwing into the deck - excellent.

Gerry

[Mistral]

Thanks for the replies.
Like the setup of Beene, no drilling on the deck, etc. Probably will go the same way. Like Glenn, what size blocks are you using?

Dirk

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Personally I don't care for Beene's solution for one reason. It puts the lines smack dab in the middle of the only clear area there is to walk on the cabin top. Walking on lines is a sure way to roll an ankle or worse, end up overboard.

I prefer the approach that keeps the lines tight along side the companionway hatch along the same route that the centerboard /daggerboard line takes. Just use a loose block off the vang bail to turn at the bottom of the mast, that way the lines go with the mast when you put the boat on the trailer instead of being attached to the step. You can replace the single sheeve factory cheek block with a two or even 3 high cheek block that will mount in the exact same holes for no drilling. I also prefer the more compact line stops on the market in place of the large lever ones shown in the picture. A triple set of these will fit in the same place of the single board cam cleat installed by the factory.

I also see no point at all in running the jib halyard aft if you have roller furling. If you have a UV strip on the furled sail you can avoid going forward at all, and if you have a sock you have to go forward to hoist and zip it so why would you want the halyard run aft?

[The Mutt]

I thought the hailyard lift and downhaul was for the mainsail not the jib, the mainsail is what I'm interested in controlling fom the cockpit when sailing shorthanded.

Glenn

[Oskar 26M]

We have our mainsail halyard running inside the mast, terminating in a clutch on the starboard cabin top. The mainsail downhaul sinply runs through a block on the forward starboard stanchion, the another block on the mast base. Since the downhaul caries no load, its bitter end is just tied off around the aft cabin stanchion.

[The Mutt]

We have our mainsail halyard running inside the mast

How did you bring the halyard in and out of the mast?

Any pics?

Glenn

[Oskar 26M]

The halyard goes into the mast via a flush (?) block riveted just below the masthead. It comes out at the base via a slot just above the block shackled to the base plate. Haven't got any pics at the moment but it is a very common arrangement.

The biggest advantage of running it inside the mast is that the halyard doesn't 'clang' on the mast when at anchor in a high wind.

[The Mutt]

I like the idea of the halyard going inside the mast, well half the halyard, when the mainsail is down do you still get any clanging from the loose end.

Glenn

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

A Mac is setup with two halyards, the one on the starboard side that goes to the mast head is for the main. The one on the port side that goes to the headstay height is for the jib. To these lines many add a third line, a topping lift, that runs from the masthead to the end of the boom, and sometimes a downhaul to help lower the sail. Other lines that are optional but can be led aft are single line reefing installations and the boom vang. Of course the Mac also has a centerboard/Daggerboard lift line already led aft.

Of these the one that makes no sense to lead aft is the port side jib halyard, particularly if you have roller furling. Since this is so common these days usually the only thing the jib halyard is used for is sometimes hoisting a jib cover sock and for raising the mast. Never use your main halyard for raising the mast. Some have a dedicated line for raising the mast.