Mac Spinnaker Knock Down

[beene]

and recovery.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Bti3FUoDg

G

[Québec 1]

WOW,
I vote this video
The Best Spinnaker heel ever!
in the 26M category of course,

and as been said about MacGregor sailors around the world........

MacGregor sailors...Kicking Ass and taking names
BRAVO G


I vote this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4fjmyDF4_4
Best Modified MacSail EVer
Bravo J.

Q1

[Phil M]

He really seems to be sailing fast. I think I will just stick with my furling genoa for now.

Phil M

[Scott]

I dont know if the owner is a mamber, but...

Tack line is played out too far base on the wind direction. (Watch the flag)He's sailing abeam and not running. Treat it like a jib until the wind goes aft then use as little tack line as you can get away with. Makes em easier to control.

When you play out tack line it will kill generated lift and it transitions into parachute mode. on a beam reach you will get this effect.

[beene]

Tack line is played out too far base on the wind direction. (Watch the flag)He's sailing abeam and not running. Treat it like a jib until the wind goes aft then use as little tack line as you can get away with. Makes em easier to control.

You mean more like this.........
http://www.youtube.com/user/Pegasus26M# ... m0i8F6rMII

[Phillip]

did you see this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eovBozRo ... re=related

Cheers
Phillip

[Scott]

It would appear 140 trumps 90 everytime

[beene]

Hi Phillip

Yes, I saw that video in the post from Victor about outboard engine performance.

But what does a video about 2 Mac M's racing under power have to do with a Mac Spinnaker knockdown discussion?

G

[bartmac]

A knockdown would imply the boat laying right down.....mast in the water????

[second wind too]

Great Vids

On the subject of spinnakers I have a question or two. I have a 26M and the Doyle spinnaker as shown in these vids came with the boat when I bought it this past February, but no lines or hardware. The Mac Homepage says no additional hardware is necessary to fly the Spinnaker, but it sure doesn't look that way. From what I see in the Vids there is a pole extention setup off the bow in addition to the track line that attaches to it and the sheet lines. I have only a working Jib on a furler, so my Channel Trollies are on the trunk cabin tracks. As I live and boat in Thailand I have a friend bringing back two channel trollies to put on the Aft channels for the Spinnaker. This way I don't have to move the tollies for the jib when I use the spinnaker.

I noticed a "Spinnaker Package" on the Kelly-Hansen Marine Website. Does anyone know if that pole set up off the bow is part of the Kelly Hansen Spinnaker Package? They don't have a photo that shows what's included. If so, would it include the Boom Vang type system that attaches to the bow ring to hold the pole in pace? I can only ask friends to carry items back from the States that will fit in their luggage, so I wonder how long the bow pole is?

What are the bare necessities I need to fly the Spinnaker? My friend is already bringing me back from Kelly Hansen Marine a Boom Vang, two channel trollies, a wind tel package, and a hand held VHF from EBAY (not to mention some vitamins, etc). I can't ask him to bring any more stuff this trip anyway, but more friends will be visiting in the near future, so I can start gearing up for more favors now.

You have to appriciate that everything in Thailand cost WAY more then State side (about double) due to the shipping and import taxes, including the boat itself. So, it really helps the boat budget when I can order online and have friends bring goodies back for me.

Thanks for any imput. I would love to fly the Spinnaker and get some more performaance out of my 2006, 26M.

Cheers
jeff

[beene]

Hi Jeff

What can I say, or rather, where to begin?
Most of what was in that video, in terms of equipment used to fly that Asym, was aftermarket.

Basically, to answer your main question and get you started, here is what you need:
- the sail
- the sheets for it
- a halyard
- a tack line, either fixed or variable, up to you
- a block at the top of your jib/genny hound for the spin halyard

You can use the blocks and winches that came with your M for the sheets.

I have added:
- variable tack line
- 3' retractable bowsprit
- spin sock
- all lines led aft
- rope clutches on the cabin top
- second block on genny tracks for spin sheets
- 2 snap shackles
- bob stay
- Bills easy cleats

There, I think I got everything.

Cheers

Geoff

[beene]

A knockdown would imply the boat laying right down.....mast in the water????

A broach -- when the boat is knocked on her beam's end. In non-nautical jargon, it's when the the boat heels near to 90 degrees and the mast is nearly parallel to the ocean surface.

While this is a very dramatic moment, as well as noisy, it's not usually dangerous as long as the boat is properly secured for weather like that, and doesn't take water. Racing sloops take knockdowns all the time, and without major -- or any -- consequences to the boat or crew.

The process is comparatively slow -- perhaps 5 seconds. Standing on the leeward rail, you shift position as the boat heels and, surprisingly, find yourself standing on the stanchions hip deep in water. And then the boat naturally heads into the wind and the weight of the keel rights the boat.

Typically, a knockdown is a sign you're carrying way too much sail.

G

[bartmac]

Not the sort of thing you'd want to do with a Mac.......!!!!! Well I won't be attempting the same thing...ie BIG spinnaker.Had it happen on a 26ft San Juan swingkeel thru not watching the change in wind and the river we were following reading the Sunday papers...next minute boom in the water and while she didn't lay right over lots of things got very wet

[second wind too]

Thanks for the input Geoff

I just got off the phone with Toby at Kelly Hansen Marine and he suggested that I can fly the Spinnaker by running the Tack line UNDER the anchor pully and the Sheet Lines through the Channel Track Trollies/Pullies at the Aft Port and Starboard Channel Tracks and then to the winch. Until I can have enough friends returning State Side and back again to Thailand with their luggage stuffed with the other items to make raising and lowering the Spinnaker all the easier, which may take some time.

This time of year the winds are generally light here in the Gulf of Thailand, so a good time to get some practice raising and lowering the Spinnaker. Probably be a lot easier with one crew on helm, and two crew to handle the Spinnaker and winches. Should be interesting. If I have a forth crew to man the camera I'll post some photos, but four adults seems to start getting a little crowded in the cockpit.

Again thanks for the input.

Cheers
Jeff