Survey-MacGregor Hull stiffness

[Gypsy]

I see we're back to the silly arguments from the hostile forums again. *sigh*

Look, it's a cheap boat, and it's a compromise. Deal with it. So was the Volkswagen Bug, and look how many of those they sold, how long the little buggers lasted, and how well-loved they were, despite being made comparatively cheaply.

And the Mac is not made for rough, offshore sailing, and isn't sold as such. Indeed, when Roger recently filmed the boat in very heavy wind and seas he clearly advises against it, though he and Mike Inmon do demonstrate that the boat can take it, if you happen to get caught out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smlP6iXnk2s

(The only problem I see in the video is that the hatch is wide open... If I were in such seas I'd have battened things down a bit more, just in case a rogue wave were to hit, or in the event the boat gets knocked down by a flash gust.)

You want a 'real' power cruiser? Buy a Sea Ray or Boston Whaler.
You want a 'real' pocket cruiser sailboat? Buy a Beneteau, Hunter or Catalina.
You want an inexpensive boat that does both? Buy a Mac.

Simple.

Do I sound irritated? Yeah, because I am. I'd like to be "Mr Helpful", but this is about the three-hundredth time we've seen this sort of thing posted here, and it's just bloody tiresome. And it's almost always started by someone who has never posted here before. Search the previous posts... there's plenty about this already, and we don't really need to rehash this all over again.

I like the analogy of the VW Bug , there were small , slow , dangerous , and more were sold than any other car , then resold for more than a caddy ! The hulls of a Mac are thin , but I haven't read of anybody drowning as a result . I haven't read of any hulls splitting open as a result.
Bayliners have the same reputation , but go to any Marina and its guranteed that you will find at least one Bayliner and at least one Mac in there !
By the way , I own a Mac and have owned three bugs , over the years !

[LOUIS B HOLUB]

* SIGH *

I know...
Sorry -- I just had to weigh-in.

Too funny...
But, heyyyy Kevin, it's really not that bad over at the Louis' home. Hittin' the "sack" over here is "old fashioned" >> Reading, and some Good Book talk, and THEN "ALL" lights out, stove off, and dog tucked in. Nothing stirrin', not even a mouse.
NO clickety-clickety-clickety rackett/noise is allowed !

[dennisneal]

I own a 2007 Ford F-150 Long Bed Pickup truck. It has a 4.6L V-8 engine and a super tow package. I can lean on the fender and it will depress a bit.

SO WHAT?? WHO CARES??

I love my truck.

I also own a 2006 MacGregor 26M. I can lean on the side and it will depress a bit.

SO WHAT?? WHO CARES??

I love my boat.

[Norca]

I have worked on freighters most of my adult life.
and sometimes they flex a little bit also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_ri8PkihE

[Highlander]

welllllllllllllll if it is a troll does that mean its a he & if its a she its a witch !!
Now if it turns out to be a troll I know someone who we can send over down their what ever to take care of business ! & if its a witch he'll have to take a big brown sack instead on a paper bag !

Could'nt help myself Da Da Da Da Where's Sharkie when ya need him ! JAWS 5

J

[Divecoz]

How Much do they pay for this job?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZiNrds ... re=related
IMHO Not Enough!!!

[Norca]

How Much do they pay for this job?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZiNrds ... re=related
IMHO Not Enough!!!

I agree
And we're only paied for working hours.
Try to have a shower on a day like that
Or a meal, we use to have "storm soup" on rough days, a thick soup that will stay in your
plate, if you balance it carefully in your hand

[rfrye94760]

I don't know, in my experience (limited to building and construction materials) things that don't deflect a little bit under stress have a tendency to fail rather abruptly.

[Divecoz]

Good Point Robert...

I don't know, in my experience (limited to building and construction materials) things that don't deflect a little bit under stress have a tendency to fail rather abruptly.

[Capt Capsize]

This thread may have been started with malicious intent, but the result is positive outpouring of passion for our chosen boats. Everyone expresses and defends their views differently.
I love my

[John McDonough]

How Much do they pay for this job?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZiNrds ... re=related
IMHO Not Enough!!!

Looks like my MacX trying to plow thru a 6 foot Lake Erie Chop..
The Last voyage for the day sail visitors.

Macgregor Hull strength.. A few years ago I remember a post here..

A hurricane had stuck the Gulf. Many of the large yachts had been destroyed at dock or simply destroyed by the storm sunk or washed up on the beach with major damage. A few Macgregors were found washed up on the shore. Broken rudders and missing masts, but the Hull intact.

[Catigale]

Sitting in PHL airport....hhmmmm...i fly 300 times a year....i wonder if EADS or Boeing would hire me to design the weight out of their airframes - cant be that difficult...i probably have more airtime that some snot nosed 35 year-old from MIT....

Ill send in a resume and see if it works....

[Divecoz]

Dang You have a good memory John... but.... with your help I too remember that event.

Cat? Any response from that Resume?? Hahahahhha

Macgregor Hull strength.. A few years ago I remember a post here..

A hurricane had stuck the Gulf. Many of the large yachts had been destroyed at dock or simply destroyed by the storm sunk or washed up on the beach with major damage. A few Macgregors were found washed up on the shore. Broken rudders and missing masts, but the Hull intact.

[kmclemore]

Just for the record... here we are, well over 24 hours since the OP posted his "question" regarding the crap build of Mac boats, and he has yet to even visit the site, much less reply or join the discussion. (last visited: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:22 am)

So, thus far we're following true to form for this sort of question being added to the forum... it would appear at this point to be yet another "Crap and Run" hit job by an outsider, designed to get all our knickers in a twist.

I do wish we could all recognise these sort of postings in future and not rise to the bait? These clowns get you guys every time.

How about this.. the next time one of these Sailing Anarchy guys (or where ever they are from) comes on here, opens a brand new account, and posts what looks like a nice first-time posting but then not-so-subtly slides in his sting with "oh, I heard there's a problem with build build quality" or "oh, what about that time a mac rolled over and killed people" we could all just pause and reflect on how these sort of discussions have gone before... and NOT answer the guy! And if you feel a BURNING need to reply, simply refer the guy to the search button - only one person needs to do that - and then let the discussion DIE. If the OP comes back and continues the discussion, then perhaps we can join him in a robust and gentlemanly debate... but please, let's not respond to these one-shot 'crap and run' posts? Pretty please??

For those of you that can't tell the difference, here's an example of what appears to be a legitimate first-time poster's inquiry:

http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... 81#p204981

Notice that he follows up with ongoing discussion. Compare that with this thread's original posting:

http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... 89#p204889

Hopefully, you can see the difference in both tone and intent... they are pretty easy to spot.

[kmclemore]

Sitting in PHL airport....

Well, if you get stuck there, you know where you can hole-up. Got the Renown back on the road now, so we can go for a cruise! Dinner tonight is pork chops, Czech-style.