A Sub 60 Minute Rig and De-rig System

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A Sub 60 Minute Rig and De-rig System

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I have found a new system that makes it possible to both rig and de-rig in less than one hour.The spreaders are removed and all the halyards, shrouds, topping lift and spreaders are kept neatly inline with the mast. Another benefit is the Genoa's plastic luff is stored in a flat position. Stepping the mast is a snap because the system also controls mast side flop. The following instructions came with the system and the first time I rigged and de-rigged using it my times were 54 minutes and 53 minutes respectively. I will take a video of the system in action and post its link in the next day or two.
Rigging Steps
1. Raise antenna.
2. Remove three aft Genoa brackets and stow in cockpit.
3. Remove one crutch bolt and place next to step.
4. Disconnect mast base from pulpit and place bolt back into pulpit.
5. Walk mast base aft and place into mast crutch.
6. Remove remaining crutch bolt and crutch then set aside.
7. Pin mast base to the step then place crutch in cockpit.
8. Install spreaders (insure all mast halyards are below spreaders).
9. Remove four aft Genoa brackets and uncoil lazy jack lines onto the cockpit floor.
10. Remove Genoa from the forward “triple” Genoa bracket then remove the bracket and place into cockpit.
11. Install the mast raising system; remove all shrouds from Genoa brackets and run baby stays under Genoa (place end of Genoa on starboard side of system and use port bow cleat).
12. Raise mast and pin Genoa.
13. Install bow dock line.
14. Remove mast raising system and the three remaining Genoa brackets; place all Genoa brackets and raising system into car.
15. Remove rudder pins and close ballast valve.
16. Install main sail.
17. Run all lines aft then install Genoa track pulleys and fenders.
18. Raise bimini.
19. Install aft dock line.
20. Launch boat.

De-Rigging Steps
1. Place all Genoa brackets in cockpit.
2. Lower bimini.
3. Coil all lines (including dock lines) then place fenders in cockpit and stow Genoa track pulleys.
4. Remove main sail then stow in cabin.
5. Install the three lower Genoa brackets on the mast.
6. Install the mast raising system; run baby stays under Genoa. (Use port bow cleat).
7. De-pin Genoa and wrap furler in cloth; place Genoa into the three Genoa brackets (position Genoa on starboard side of mast raising system).
8. Lower mast.
9. Remove mast raising system (lay bolt beside step).
10. Install the triple Genoa bracket at base of mast then place Genoa into bracket.
11. Install the four aft Genoa brackets and coil the lazy jack lines.
12. Remove spreaders and attach to brackets; place shrouds into Genoa brackets stopping at the bracket just aft of the mast raising hound.
13. Unpin mast base then lift mast and install mast crutch; place mast in crutch.
14. Insert two pins in mast crutch base.
15. Walk the mast to the bow then attach to the pulpit.
16. Install the three remaining aft Genoa brackets.
17. Lower the antenna.

MAC OUT
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Re: A Sub 60 Minute Rig and De-rig System

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Hey Mac-a-tac

I reckon half the guys here remove the speaders,,, and the other half leave em on but put pelican clips on the lifelines at the pullpit so they can drop them. I have been taking my spreaders off for a while but have reverted back to leaving them on for now.. I have set up and packed up single handed since I got the boat except for once when the missus helped me (and I couldnt believe how much less hassle it was with a helper!) and it generally takes me between 45 minutes to an hour.

If you trailer without the spreaders on, make sure you have the mast tied to the mast carrier. Otherwise it moves onto its side and can bend one arm of the mast carrier allowing the mast to fall down (on the solar panel in my case :wink: ).
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And the model of the boat is???? Sounds way more complicated than it probably is, I'm sure. I rig and launch, retrieve and take down my X in about a half hour; genny and solar panel included. Of course that was two years ago, before I put her in a year-round slip. :)

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Never actually timed it but if it takes over half an hour to get to that stage would be surprised but my mainsail etc is already on the mast all that needs to come aboard is the bag with tools and mast raiser and ready to go, ours doesn't tip as it has a support in the middle at stepping point and spreaders sit above the lifelines anyway.
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The Bimini and the Lazy Jacks are complicating factors. Also, I leave the mast raising gin pole attached at all times. When trailering, I winch it up so it stays aloft between the mast and the deck, and when sailing I keep it slack and on deck with a rag tied around the winch to keep it from scratching the deck. Tacking around it is not an issue.

I use hitch pins on the spreaders and a BWY quick pin for the mast step. When I'm doing it all the time my rig time is definitely below 30 minutes in and about 45 minutes out. My fastest rig time ever was below 15 minutes, but that's with the admiral helping and when I was doing it every weekend. We've been in a slip for the past month (first time) and so the gin pole is off and my skills are slipping.
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Mac26Mpaul wrote:If you trailer without the spreaders on, make sure you have the mast tied to the mast carrier. Otherwise it moves onto its side and can bend one arm of the mast carrier allowing the mast to fall down (on the solar panel in my case :wink: ).
The mast on my :macx: would roll in the mast crutch when trying to move it forward or back, so I made a new roller that fits the mast profile. No more falling onto its side, or needing the spreaders as handles (I take them off now). And since it's made from Starboard, in 1/2" slices, it rolls like it's on grease. Being individual slices allows the larger diameter outer discs to roll slower than the smallest ones in the center, so they don't fight each other. Starboard also rolls much easier on a clean SS pin than the hard synthetic rubber used for the original.

I always pin it when trailering, though.

I do have to come up with an auxiliary roller or skid for the far aft, though, as the CG of the mast with headsail goes aft of the roller when it's in position to pin to the tabernacle. That gets a bit dicey when I'm alone.
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I do have to come up with an auxiliary roller or skid for the far aft, though, as the CG of the mast with headsail goes aft of the roller when it's in position to pin to the tabernacle. That gets a bit dicey when I'm alone.[/quote]

I solved that problem by tying a line across the boat from the stantion bases over the mast to keep the mast from rising. With the line holding the mast down (6-8" above the cabin deck) I can sit on the mast and pin the mast on to the base.

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MAC-A-TAC wrote:I have found a new system that makes it possible to both rig and de-rig in less than one hour.The spreaders are removed and all the halyards, shrouds, topping lift and spreaders are kept neatly inline with the mast. Another benefit is the Genoa's plastic luff is stored in a flat position. Stepping the mast is a snap because the system also controls mast side flop. The following instructions came with the system and the first time I rigged and de-rigged using it my times were 54 minutes and 53 minutes respectively. I will take a video of the system in action and post its link in the next day or two.
Rigging Steps
1. Raise antenna.
2. Remove three aft Genoa brackets and stow in cockpit.


MAC OUT
At the risk of seeming very slow, I need to ask what some of the parts you are describing are. I bought a used 26x and things might be different.
Step 2. three aft Genoa brackets...are these an aftermarket thing? I assume your genoa is on a furler. how do you deal with overhang or do you detach it at the top? :o
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tkanzler wrote:The mast on my :macx: would roll in the mast crutch when trying to move it forward or back, so I made a new roller that fits the mast profile. No more falling onto its side, or needing the spreaders as handles (I take them off now). And since it's made from Starboard, in 1/2" slices, it rolls like it's on grease. Being individual slices allows the larger diameter outer discs to roll slower than the smallest ones in the center, so they don't fight each other. Starboard also rolls much easier on a clean SS pin than the hard synthetic rubber used for the original.
Tkanzler, you solved a big problem I have just been putting up with. How did you cut the pieces round, and of the right diameters?
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hschumac wrote:Tkanzler, you solved a big problem I have just been putting up with. How did you cut the pieces round, and of the right diameters?
I'll start a thread in the Modifications section so I don't hijack this one.
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bscott wrote:I solved that problem by tying a line across the boat from the stantion bases over the mast to keep the mast from rising. With the line holding the mast down (6-8" above the cabin deck) I can sit on the mast and pin the mast on to the base.

Bob

That's an outstanding idea! 8) I've been toying with the idea of a stern roller, or alternatively of a roller on a short strut over the top of the mast near the tabernacle, but with a simple line (if I'm understanding you) over the mast, I can roll the mast from within the cockpit to take some load off the roller, and to keep any stray lines from getting under it, without worrying about it doing an end-o off the back of the boat, into the drink. :o

I'm bringing the boat home tonight to prep it for a martini cruise with friends in the Erie Canal tomorrow, so that'll give me the chance to mess with that idea. Thanks a boatload! 8) :wink:
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tkanzler wrote:
Mac26Mpaul wrote:If you trailer without the spreaders on, make sure you have the mast tied to the mast carrier. Otherwise it moves onto its side and can bend one arm of the mast carrier allowing the mast to fall down (on the solar panel in my case :wink: ).
The mast on my :macx: would roll in the mast crutch when trying to move it forward or back, so I made a new roller that fits the mast profile. No more falling onto its side, or needing the spreaders as handles (I take them off now). And since it's made from Starboard, in 1/2" slices, it rolls like it's on grease. Being individual slices allows the larger diameter outer discs to roll slower than the smallest ones in the center, so they don't fight each other. Starboard also rolls much easier on a clean SS pin than the hard synthetic rubber used for the original.

I always pin it when trailering, though.

I do have to come up with an auxiliary roller or skid for the far aft, though, as the CG of the mast with headsail goes aft of the roller when it's in position to pin to the tabernacle. That gets a bit dicey when I'm alone.

Want to see this as well.
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Post by MAC-A-TAC »

Hello windypatrick,

Yes,i do have a roller furling Genoa. The aftermarket system is referred to in the instructions as "Genoa brackets" and the system supports the over hanging Genoa during transport.

Over all, this system makes singled handed rigging and de-rigging safer, simpler, and faster. I am still working on the video, hope to have the link posted by 8/15/2012.

MAC Out.
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Yep sounds like a good idea tkanzler, altered the rear bracket to make it adjustable (up) and shaped it but it still jams and as I prefer to rig by myself it does get hard with two crook knees but not as awkward as trying to explain to someone else.
The biggest problem is always the lines etc catching on something even though I leave them tied to the mast as long as possible but you still need to move back to untie them even with the rear roller adjusted much higher (12") which also makes it possible to step the mast with the boom etc attached.
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Thats 45 min. longer than it takes us to load at ramp and be underway. Takes us 15 min. to Setup,launch and derig and be towing.
Us is a 61 year old and a better half 48 year old woman. Moment we arrive at ramp it takes us 15 min. to rig and launch. Same time to derig.
Get rid of the Gin pole if you have two persons, rest is simple.
Boat Ramp at Cape Coral now requires 10 min. launch. Ouch :evil:
This Summer we took off the Mast until September as low wind and avarage 92 degree temps. we perfer to just motor to Sanibel Island and go swimming. Launch time 1 min. :)
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MAC-A-TAC wrote:I have found a new system that makes it possible to both rig and de-rig in less than one hour.The spreaders are removed and all the halyards, shrouds, topping lift and spreaders are kept neatly inline with the mast. Another benefit is the Genoa's plastic luff is stored in a flat position. Stepping the mast is a snap because the system also controls mast side flop. The following instructions came with the system and the first time I rigged and de-rigged using it my times were 54 minutes and 53 minutes respectively. I will take a video of the system in action and post its link in the next day or two.
Rigging Steps
1. Raise antenna.
2. Remove three aft Genoa brackets and stow in cockpit.
3. Remove one crutch bolt and place next to step.
4. Disconnect mast base from pulpit and place bolt back into pulpit.
5. Walk mast base aft and place into mast crutch.
6. Remove remaining crutch bolt and crutch then set aside.
7. Pin mast base to the step then place crutch in cockpit.
8. Install spreaders (insure all mast halyards are below spreaders).
9. Remove four aft Genoa brackets and uncoil lazy jack lines onto the cockpit floor.
10. Remove Genoa from the forward “triple” Genoa bracket then remove the bracket and place into cockpit.
11. Install the mast raising system; remove all shrouds from Genoa brackets and run baby stays under Genoa (place end of Genoa on starboard side of system and use port bow cleat).
12. Raise mast and pin Genoa.
13. Install bow dock line.
14. Remove mast raising system and the three remaining Genoa brackets; place all Genoa brackets and raising system into car.
15. Remove rudder pins and close ballast valve.
16. Install main sail.
17. Run all lines aft then install Genoa track pulleys and fenders.
18. Raise bimini.
19. Install aft dock line.
20. Launch boat.

De-Rigging Steps
1. Place all Genoa brackets in cockpit.
2. Lower bimini.
3. Coil all lines (including dock lines) then place fenders in cockpit and stow Genoa track pulleys.
4. Remove main sail then stow in cabin.
5. Install the three lower Genoa brackets on the mast.
6. Install the mast raising system; run baby stays under Genoa. (Use port bow cleat).
7. De-pin Genoa and wrap furler in cloth; place Genoa into the three Genoa brackets (position Genoa on starboard side of mast raising system).
8. Lower mast.
9. Remove mast raising system (lay bolt beside step).
10. Install the triple Genoa bracket at base of mast then place Genoa into bracket.
11. Install the four aft Genoa brackets and coil the lazy jack lines.
12. Remove spreaders and attach to brackets; place shrouds into Genoa brackets stopping at the bracket just aft of the mast raising hound.
13. Unpin mast base then lift mast and install mast crutch; place mast in crutch.
14. Insert two pins in mast crutch base.
15. Walk the mast to the bow then attach to the pulpit.
16. Install the three remaining aft Genoa brackets.
17. Lower the antenna.

MAC OUT
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