Dive platform

[K9Kampers]

...wat about rudders as on the Hake yacht that pull out.

I think that the Hake vertical rudder concept would look great / better to complement your platform.

[SKIPPER2C]

Thank u Sir.
This is exactly wat i was looking for.With the fuel tanks out of the way and the seat that covers the fuel tank of, the space wil be magic.

If u would ever visit SA pleas let me now and i wil love to go diving with u in
Mozambique . Bean diving for 30 years, got lost in caves ja but never had any sharks problems. Do not even now anybody that had, Just read about it.
Can tell a lot of story's yes but sharks is only a problem if u surf, sharks see u as a rob floating on the surfis, that is there food. With the 46 Mozambican Metical to 1 GBP its a very cheap trip for u.

But With wat happen to "Anni Dewani " ,will the mrs come with

Renier

[restless]

sounds good... always looking for good afforable diving
What's your mother tongue? dutch?
That is a pretty seriously kitted out mac if ever I saw one. you must put some more pics up.

A few thoughts after having loked at the photos a little closer.

If that were my boat, I would be considering adding some hangers to the platform to lock them in straight when not in use. I have also seen a 26x with a steering fin on the outboard... ie an extra blade for shallow water control with the rudders up. That could open up some more options. I think steering with the rudders flat for anything more than crawling speed could risk snapping the rudder head. the other issue is swinging the rudders into the propellor. My starboard rudder has suffered that one already!

Before I completely changed everything on my boat, one thing I could do easily was to change the steering control bar from the bow (the bent bar that connects the 2 rudders) to the engine. I could also easily disconnect the engine from the rudders, so in case of steering problems I managed to come home on the motor alone. I don't know how your set up is, so it may not be possible as easily. I have to make another drag link for my engine to be able to do this again, however with what I think is probbaly the strongest steering set up in the history of macgregors it is not top of my list of jobs to do.

[Catigale]

...ooooh...I know this one.... .....I'm guessing Afrikaans but full credit given for Dutch as it is the origin of Afrikaans if I remember right...

[vizwhiz]

...ooooh...I know this one.... .....I'm guessing Afrikaans but full credit given for Dutch as it is the origin of Afrikaans if I remember right...

You are right on both counts...
We know some people from SA, and that is what they speak...and it is of Dutch origin.

Just an FYI to people who have trouble translating into English (or vice versa), Google Translate (translate.google.com) works great for informal translation that you can copy-and-paste...you type in English on one side, then pick the language to translate into, and it will write it out for you...you can then copy and paste it into the forum post. Works both ways (into English from another language also).

[SKIPPER2C]

Catigale wrote:
...ooooh...I know this one.... .....I'm guessing Afrikaans but full credit given for Dutch as it is the origin of Afrikaans if I remember right...

vizwhiz wrote:
You are right on both counts...
We know some people from SA, and that is what they speak...and it is of Dutch origin.

That's on the dot.

Bean reading extensively about the topic. Don't see any big negatives on a sugar-scoop and moving the rudders. Seems to me that the plus can be that, it's sed, extending the hull may increase the hull speed.

The nice about it is that i will be able to work on the Suger-scoop in my garage and still be able to sail and if it is finished then attach it. Losing no sailing.Hope i am right

If anybody can think of something we over looked,
PLEAS SHARE U're THORTS.
" Debate 3 times,
Plan 2 times, and
Do only 1s.
Thanx for all the HELP. Much APPRECIATED.
Renier

[restless]

Another thought...
If you lengthen the waterline then would you not need to move the mast and dagger board back in order to be able to mainain balance of the boat when sailing?
I would imagine the design is fairly carefully worked out. I would certainly talk to a boat designer before adding that amount of extra length. It would be where? 20-25% extra? That is quite alot.. I know of severl boats who have added some length in this way, though generally it would seem to be less than 8% of original hull.

[K9Kampers]

Don't see any big negatives on a sugar-scoop and moving the rudders. Seems to me that the plus can be that, it's sed, extending the hull may increase the hull speed.

Theoretically, if you are modding the hull to incorporate a sugar scoop extension. However, thus far your sugar scoop idea has been expressed as attaching to the platform for the purpose of fuel tank storage. That's why I said you'd have the sailing characteristics of a 26' hull (23' LWL) and the steering characteristics of a 29' boat.
For the , a sugar scoop extension would be actually have to be two scoops, like a catamaran hull, due to the OB. The sailing speed may improve for the increased LWL, but the @ motor planing ability / speed would likely suffer.

[SKIPPER2C]

Another thought...
If you lengthen the waterline then would you not need to move the mast and dagger board back in order to be able to mainain balance of the boat when sailing?
I would imagine the design is fairly carefully worked out. I would certainly talk to a boat designer before adding that amount of extra length. It would be where? 20-25% extra? That is quite alot.. I know of severl boats who have added some length in this way, though generally it would seem to be less than 8% of original hull.

Sir. 3ft. ad on to 26ft. is 11%
Do u think it is to much.
Read allot about yacht-ties adding 10% Will 1 ekstra % make difference.
Can maybe taper the back the last 1/2 ft. up to stay under 10%.

Thanx for the input. Much APPRECIATED.
Renier

[SKIPPER2C]

Theoretically, if you are modding the hull to incorporate a sugar scoop extension. However, thus far your sugar scoop idea has been expressed as attaching to the platform for the purpose of fuel tank storage. That's why I said you'd have the sailing characteristics of a 26' hull (23' LWL) and the steering characteristics of a 29' boat.
For the , a sugar scoop extension would be actually have to be two scoops, like a catamaran hull, due to the OB. The sailing speed may improve for the increased LWL, but the @ motor planing ability / speed would likely suffer.

Yes Sir. That's the plan.
Because i moved the OB 1 ft. back i thorte of starting the sugar scoop with the full beam of the for the first 1 ft. and then swallow tale it to the back to accommodate the OB ( with a V ) with round edges for less drag. The OB stays in it's original place, so will it differ from wat it is now.
I Hope the Sugar scoop will help carry the extra wight that i in stolde .

Still part of Debate 3 times
So pleas correct me if i am on the wrong road.(current)
Renier

[restless]

Can't see 11% being too much of an issue. However, again the compromise comes about how to do this. My understanding is that a good planing hull has a pretty hard square cut off on the transom. Sailing boats have a smoother aerofoil type waterline exit. So what do you want? I selodom motor over 6kts, so could use a scoop, but then I may get a bigger engine one day and want to start planing around. Mac-decisions al the time!!!
Whichever way you look at it its going to be interesting!

I've found that every time I add something significant to our boat, no matter how well thought out or useful, it always seems to cause another problem somewhere else...

[SKIPPER2C]

Whichever way you look at it its going to be interesting!

I've found that every time I add something significant to our boat, no matter how well thought out or useful, it always seems to cause another problem somewhere else...

The more i think of it (or are daydream the right word) the more i relays that with the dive platform already fix't, i have no anther chose than to go and do the sugar scoop and rudder thing. I convinced myself that the space the platform and moving the fuel tanks will create is much more worth than the negatives that "may" a cur.
I HOPE a mistake on this mod wont be life threatening just more work.

(Debate 3 times ), X done.
Plan 2 times, and
Do only 1s.

Thanx for all the HELP. Much APPRECIATED.
Renier.

[K9Kampers]

Good luck with the mod and please post some pics of the project as it develops!

[Catigale]

Does anyone remover the poster who did that beautiful FG stern on an ...I think?

We should hook up Renier and that guy...

[K9Kampers]

It was an , screen name Currie.

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