1972 Venture 2-22 ReFurbish "Knot 4 Sail"

[Catigale]

I just finished refurbing a 30 year old Harpoon trailer, and after snapping 28 nuts/bolts, chiseling off another 6, and then Dremel tool cutwheel off the final ones, I ran out and bought all SS hardware and didnt even wince at the price...

The worst were the lag bolts, which cant be easily held and just spin in the wood. The Dremel worked fine on these.

[72Mac22]

Reburb Log 21 Sept 2010...

Spent the week in Reno at the air races. While I was there I found a West Marine store and purchased Epoxy, fiberglass, filler, a Windex wind indicator and misc other stuff. Avoided the Hazmat fee's by bringing it all home on the airplane I was displaying.

Removed the "Pop-Top" and foam blocks from the interior and did a little power washing. Paint flakes everywhere! Also made some PVC tail light / guide on posts. Haven't wired anything yet. This set up will keep the lights out of the water. Distance between the two post is right at 8 feet.



Bought the LED tail lights from Ebay. Also received a motor "kicker" bracket from a Craig's List deal, a nice, low use Fulton with the synthetic board.

[otiscj37]

[Hi, I had one. They are great boats(thank-you Roger). I never did much with the interior. But after fixing the keel to many times through the years, I took a out, and stripped all the stuff off, down to the metal. then went and bought a 2" pipe(cut it in half)for the leading edge. Got some steel plates, and welded them on the sides.(longer than the big plate is wide)To the pipe, and plate. They hung over about 6". Got some clamps, and clamped it(had to bend a bit.) in the rear(but it formed a very nice V.Also put a piece of the pipe on the bottom. I ended up with more surface, and nothing is going to break, or crack this one!Also heavier. For the rudder. I cut it off just below the gun-gens, and was able to use an old keel form a Lighting(big) to swing off the top part.(never rounded up again!!) Must say I could go very fast, pointed very high, and was very stiff. Some guy sailed it, and had to have it! Sold it to him, and just bought a newer Mac 22. (love those boats) Good luck with yours, and never sell it! Happy Sailing, Capt. Tony

[Ixneigh]

Hi again. If someone tells me how I can post pictures from my iPad I'll show some pictures of my boat. One thing that I will do if I decide to keep the boat and not trade up to an M is glass the hull to deck joint. Absolutely do that before putting the rub rail back on. I'm going to take mine off and use two or three layers of biax glass on it. Maybe glass in a two by four to give the rail a bit of substance and make the side deck just a bit wider. I also would like to foam core the whole part of the hull that is out of the water by laiminating airex foam sheets to the outside and glassing over it. This would stiffen the boat very much. The foam and fiberglass cabin addition I put on had a huge effect to the positive, I guess because the huge space where the pop top is, or was, made the boat less rigid. It's now sort of like a mini mac26x except I only have a five Honda. I also put in some drawers where that very narrow bench was on the port side of the boat. They have a table that slides out, so I can sit on the edge of what is now a small double bunk where the dinette was, and use the table easily. It slides in when not needed. The front of the cabin addition has a sliding window that lets in lot of air and light. I made some mini ventilators since I had to give up the forward hatch to place the new mast. These vents provide air rain or shine and I would not be without them again. I spend a lot of time on this boat. Also consider putting fabric on the Inside of the hull, instead of paint. I did this ten years ago and it held up great! Can't believe it. I bought closeout stuff from a fabric place. Had I known how long it was going to last I. Ight have choosen the color a bit more carefully. Make sure it's the stuff they put on couches and things. Upholstery fabric. Ofcourse if the boat leaks it will get moldy, but mine never got moldy just from the dampness. After you are done with all that work, striping the boat to that level, there is no reason for any leaks whatsoever. After returning from the Bahamas, and having a lumpy trip across the banks, I also added a brace to the other side of the centerboard trunk. Makes me feel better. I like to use the centerboard as a depth sounder. Probably unneeded, but...
Also the anchor roller I added is a must. I Always sail with a good anchor, and the roller makes a nice place to keep it.
I did add a brace under the deck where the front window of the cabin is. The deck was too bouncy, and there was evidence of cracking that was deeper then the gelcoat, in the fiberglass aroundthe corners of the front of the cabin.
I would def. Add that if I had another v22
Much bigger bow cleat was one of the first things I did with a one foot circular aluminum backing plate. The boat has gone through some pretty bad weather at anchor.
I just recently replaiced the centerboard pin. I did this at low tide with the boat in a protected area. Now that I know how to do that the next time will be easier. The pin was fine. Five years Full time in saltwater, and letting the boat slam on a hard sand bottom one night. I thought for sure the pin was going to be bent, but nope it looked almost like new.
This boat and I have had adventures to write books about. I now have to decide to keep upgrading and refining the new type of rig she now has, and add the fiberglass to the outside, or wait till my car payments are done and get a
new or newER 26 M.

[72Mac22]

Boat wise, there is not much new to report other than she sits on the trailer out at my folks under a frozen white blanket.

Career wise is a nothe matter. I received a layoff notice in October which made me one of over 8500 total layoffs from Cessna since 2008. I wasn't too shocked as I was just happy to have survived the first 3 rounds. I was able to find another job but it requires a move to the Kansas City area about 3 hours drive from where we live currently. Not bad move as relocations go I suppose. We will be looking for property with a dedicated work shop for my sailboat and the endless other projects I always seem to get started. For now I am enduring the cold, preparing for the move and planning for that first day of sailing.

Here is a pic of the new office. Me on the left and my copilot on the right. The airplane is a brand new Cessna Citation XLS+.

[cookwithgas]

Boat wise, there is not much new to report other than she sits on the trailer out at my folks under a frozen white blanket.

Career wise is a nothe matter. I received a layoff notice in October which made me one of over 8500 total layoffs from Cessna since 2008. I wasn't too shocked as I was just happy to have survived the first 3 rounds. I was able to find another job but it requires a move to the Kansas City area about 3 hours drive from where we live currently. Not bad move as relocations go I suppose. We will be looking for property with a dedicated work shop for my sailboat and the endless other projects I always seem to get started. For now I am enduring the cold, preparing for the move and planning for that first day of sailing.

That's great news! I don't know where you are moving from but KC should be a good place to live. We traveled there from Omaha every year to Great Wolf Lodge on Easter for about 8 years. I'm glad to hear you will be continuing the boat project. Yesterday I found some photos of a boat that looks a lot like mine on the internet. One interesting picture shows the boat floating in clear water and you can just make out the swing keel hanging down. This is the first time I've seen our boat with the keel extended - take a look:



Here is another photo of the same boat with all of the deck hardware removed:



Does anybody recognize this boat?

72Mac22 - Keep working and send us updated photos after you get settled in Kansas City.

Tailwinds,

Aubrey Scott in Texas

[Catigale]

Aubrey - are you sure the pix are of the same boat? Under high mag, the bow numbers look different to me...

[cookwithgas]

Aubrey - are you sure the pix are of the same boat? Under high mag, the bow numbers look different to me...

I found the pictures on line and would like to contact the guy because it looks so much like my boat. The pictures were on the same website with a few pictures of the refurbish so I assumed it was the same boat. Maybe not.

[72Mac22]

Selling out. See first post.

Changed mind, keeping boat.

[72Mac22]

Well I suppose most refurb stories would not be complete without attempting to give up (sell out) at least once during the process. NO LONGER SELLING OUT . I listed my project here and locally via Craigslist and received an offer I thought I might take. When it came time to make the decision I not only decided not to take it but to take it off the market and complete what I have started. I was in need of some cash and since I had not done much with the boat I thought perhaps it was time for it to go. After thinking it over I have decided that I would kick myself someday if I didn't follow through. So, I am sorry for the false alarm but happy to be active again on the project.

I was able to seperate the deck from the hull today. It was pushing 80 here in Kansas and after the rain stopped, a perfect day to work outside. I took the power washer to the under side of the deck and knocked off a whole lot of paint. My main goal before the snow flies will be to repair about 3 to 4 areas where the fiber glass has damage and to get the under side of the deck and the inside of the hull scraped/cleaned and ready for a primer coat when it warms up next spring. Drop the keel and repair and glass the cracks. I will be able to repair and glass the rudder and tiller this winter in the garage. I would also like to blast the trailer and get it painted before winter sets in. Well thats the plans anyway.

Just realized by looking at my Edited thread title that I may have a name for my boat...... "Knot 4 Sail"

[RobertB]

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[72Mac22]

Got a little more accomplished today. Blocked up the Hull and dropped the Keel (Gently). Keel bolt looks good and straight but I may just go back with new since I have come this far. The Keel itself is in very good shape except for a leading edge crack that has exposed the wood. The whole thing will be sanded and painted and the crack addressed. Trailor is out from under and I hope to sand blast it and paint withing a couple of weeks. Everyone have a great week!

[72Mac22]

Over the past several weeks I have been slowly working the keel repair. I cut about 4 inches or so back from the leading edge to expose the wood. I found that there was not as much damage/rot as I would have guessed. If I remember right the PO rebuilt the keel. That would have been around 15 years ago or more. Anyway it looks like he did it right. I chipped and sanded away the rot, treated with several coats of CPES and started glassing with West system epoxy. Looks like about 12 to 15 layers ought to get it. There was enough damage to the "foot" area that it required a filler. I used some PVC pipe screwed to the wood with stainless screws and then filled with some lead shot I had sitting around my reloading bench. With the temps falling I am not sure I will get the keel project done before spring. Next week is forcast to be warm so perhaps I will.

[72Mac22]

More Keel repair pics...
Brass screws to secure exsisting fiber glass to wood leading edge.

"Foot" area filled with PVC pipe and filled with lead shot. Filler around the pipe is epoxy mixed with 403 micro fibers.

Several layers yet to be applied and feathered into the exsisting glass. I sprayed a light coat of gray primer on the keel to see where my grinder had been.

[Freedom77]

You, like all other early V-22 owners, have the same problem. Water got inside the keel and swelled the metal and split the glass. I had the same issue to the point where the keel wouldn't go down due to all the swelling. I've had some other things happen the same way. Later versions have the cast iron keel which doesn't cause near the problems. Looks like you have a handle on it. Keep us posted on the work in process. Fair Winds and Full Sails..Old Salt...