26M versus 26X

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26M versus 26X

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:macm: or :macx:

Hello,

I just joined this site today after looking through some of the many messages. I have been eyeing the Macs for a few years now and right when I was about to buy -- BAM, the 26M came out. The advantage of the M seems to be better sailing. Is this true? By how much?

The X has a few adavantages of its own -- a tried and true design with many flaws taken out by 2003. I much prefer its interior. I actually also prefer its look on the water. A huge and robust used market.

Since sailing is mostly what I want to do, and knowing that a one knot difference will eventually bother me (why? that's a whole other topic), I have settled for now on getting a used 26M in the next two years. Are there any opinions out there that you would all consider sharing? Thanks for any response to this querry.
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Post by Tom Spohn »

There have been hundreds of posts on this board expressing preference for one or the other. They are both good boats. I believe the M sails slightly better, but it probably is not by one knot. In a race between the two I predict the race will go to the most skillful skipper and crew. It seems that many of the preferences boil down to which interior is preferred. If you are married take the admiral to see both boats and she will have an immediate and strong preference for one over the other. Buy the one she likes.
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Post by kmclemore »

This has been discussed ad infinitum (ad nauseum?) on this forum. My suggestion would be to browse through the past topics and then come back with specific questions you don't see answered.

Oh, and I agree with Tom. If the Admiral ain't happy, ain't nobody gonna be happy, so in this case deference is the better part of wisdom.
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Post by Paul S »

In a nutshell. X owners will say the X is better. M owners will say the M is better. early M owners (03/04) will say it is better than the 05+ M

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Try each out for size and see what fits. I liked the M cockpit better (easier to brace when heeling) The X cockpit is wider. M can hold 24 gallons of fuel with no modification. X has a starboard midship head. M has a bow placed head. M has a far easier access to the stern bunks

03/04 has a flat bottom open interior. 05+ has a port sliding galley and starboard table.

My take. I do not like the head location on the X because it takes up valuable real estate. X owners will say the reverse.

M has more headroon, at least the 03/4 than the X. M has no backstay. M has a rotating mast. Steering linkage s*cks on the M, especially with the 50+ HP motor.

M has a dagger board. X a centerboard.

M has a larger anchor locker.

These are 2 totally different boats. You have to see and play on them until you feel like one fits you. We spent many hours just sitting on differnt boats til we picked the 04 M. Wanted to save some $ getting a used X, but the 04 M fit us better. Not crazy about the 05 interior.

A year later and I would not change my choice. Other than the crappy assembly, build quality, fit and finish, and trailer...its a good boat :) Would not trade it for an X or 05+ M.

The blue gelcoat finish looks suuuupppper...It really does. But is super sensitve to scratches. If you look at it the wrong way, it will scratch

Just my 2 cents. Your mileage may vary.

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Thanks to all

Post by BBraun »

Wow, I thought this was a good forum by your posts in such a short span blow me away. Thank you all, I will browse as suggested.

Seems that there is no "right" answer despite the MAC company's claims that the M is much better -- ofcourse it's the one there selling now.

Again, great board, thanks for the replies.
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Moe's 26X analysis

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My analysis was more of a gut feeling but you not only put it to words, but added the graphics!

Thanks for all that great information.
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Post by NautiMoments »

You mentioned you were about to buy. Do it now, there is a lot of fun you are missing and life is too short. My wife and I purchased a 26X 3 years ago and love it. This year we sold it and bought a new 26M. We did this because of the interior layout and our life style. We intend on living on it for a year and the M, in our opinion, can be modified to suit this better. If you can you should not wait.
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Which one?

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Tom Spohn Said:
If you are married take the admiral to see both boats and she will have an immediate and strong preference for one over the other. Buy the one she likes.
I couldn't agree more, when I first looked at a Mac (it was an X) my first thought was "it's not a real sailboat" But my wife was eyeballing it and comented on how much she liked it. Well it was very apparent to me that if I wanted a sailboat it had better be one she likes or I won't get one at all, :cry: so I tried warming up to it. (took a couple years) So when the year 2003 came up and we could afford a boat the M came out and that was what we bought. We are both very happy with it and have enjoyed two summers of sailing and like Paul s. said we prefer the 03-04 M over the 05 due to the roomier layout. If you should be in the market for used there should be a few of the original M's available as well as X's. You really do need to try them out for size before making a decision.

Moe,
That's one heck of a professional comparisson you did, :o albeit somewhat biased, perhaps you may wish to modify it a little to include the 03-04 M for additional comparisson. Just be sure to include more positive comments about the 03-04 M LOL as it is the choice of us early adopters. :)
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Have to agree with Moe....
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I have said it before everytime this question comes up, but it is 100% true, so here I go again. We found a 2004 used M absolutely LOVE the boat for our family of four. I dazeled my wife with the so called "sailing improvements" of an M mainly and honestly because I wanted a newer boat from a maintainence standpoint. But honestly, Give me an M 03/04 or an X and I would have been just as happy! Because honestly all of those models are better than what else is out there. What...you want a hunter 26 for double the price? or Catilina with just a 9.9 kicker motor?

Last weekend we overnighted on the boat kids were in heaven, so mom was happy....which made DAD VERRRRRRRY happy after the kids were fast asleep.....if you know what I mean.

The great family memories we are making....well that is what a Mac is all about.

Get a boat as soon as you can and start those memories!!!

You will love any MAC!!!!!

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Post by Chip »

I'll chime in, for FREE, with a corresponding value of $0.00.

Moe's comparisons are very interesting. Before getting buried in the fine distinctions made by Moe in his comparisons of the X and M, I wonder aloud if they really matter that much in the process of deciding what to buy. Preposterous, you say? No, I'm serious, and no offense Moe because I could be dead wrong and because no offense is intended - your comparisons are quite interesting and I just wonder whether the circumstances that you may have had in mind were the kind that one typically encounters in his use of the Mac.

How many of you are, with any frequency whatsoever (more than once or twice a year), cruising for the weekend or longer with a spouse? Now let's narrow the pool again. How many of you are cruising for a weekend or longer with anyone other than your respective spouses and your own children, and are inviting these overnight guests more than 1-3 times a year? I imagine that the answer is very few, with most Mac owners doing day sailing and occasional overnight cruising with maybe one other person, like a spouse, and maybe a few related children. If I am right, and I may not be, then layout for the purpose of placing coolers, accessing heads and having sound and smell privacy while using them, having extendable leg room, etc., etc., is not very important.

Based on my experiences to date, overnighting in the Mac is tantamount to spartan camping, a true "roughing it" experience (unless you have spent a lot of time and/or money with comfort-oriented mods). I have only overnighted alone and with my wife. Better be a damn close friend or couple before you invite any others to join you on such a grand adventure (beyond a day sail).

This is a long way of arguing that most use of the Mac will be by individuals and a few guests for mostly day sailing and that comparisons should be made with those circumstances in mind, not cruising circumstances and not circumstances where friends and extended family are along for multi-day rides. If you are day sailing, or overnighting with a spouse, who cares where the crapper or cooler or similar items are located, what you have to walk by to reach the porta-potty, how many seconds it takes to climb into bed, how many people can dine together, who can get a birds eye view of the diners whilst they dine, etc.? I could be wrong. Maybe hundreds or thousands of you are regularly taking groups on board overnight more than a couple of times a year. If so, then Moe's comparisons are pretty important and compelling (although the bias is obvious and admitted by the author). If not, and if, as I suspect, most Mac owners rarely cruise with others and are day sailing with occasional overnighting with a spouse and/or children, then the distinctions regarding access and location are not very important at all. Sailing performance, quality of construction, transom boarding, etc., are much more important comparisons (and appear, in the case of late model X's and M's not to involve significant differences, with the exception of boarding room at the transom).

When you remove the important factors (of performance, construction, and boarding issues - the M is difficult to board from the transom), you are left with nothing but gut feelings and aesthetic preferences which are inherently idiosyncratic and better left to the eye of the beholder (or his wife), IMHO. Or, I could disagree with Moe and tell you, with respect to the M, how easy it is to slide the galley aft so that at least two people can stare face to face at diners across the aisle and how easy it is to slide the galley forward so that one can easily have access to the aft berth on the port side, how very easy it is to remove the seat back to get to the aft berth on the starboard side, how the forward head opens up the cabin and gets it out of the way, how no adults could comfortably sleep in an X's V berth or an M's V berth, how pretty the carpeted and darker interior of the M is relative to the X, how ... :wink:

For day sailors who very rarely take guests on weekend trips, it matters not. For the very few who regularly cruise, these layout issues are strictly personal preference.
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Post by Chip »

What I meant to state in closing my last post was that for day sailors it doesn't matter in the first place and is, in any case, personal preference, while for the rare, regular cruiser, layout might be important. That's what I meant to type.
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Preferences?

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My sister and brother in-law owned a 34' TollyCraft with plenty of extra room and I still remember her motto:
"Coctails for eight, Dinner for four, sleeps two"
I have to concur with Chip, I have taken a few relatives out day sailing over the two years we have owned our M and my wife and I have done three weekend trips with our club members. We never have nor likely will take others with us overnight (maybe the rare occasion with related children). We spend most of our time in the cockpit except to sleep below, we even do most of our cooking/dining in the cockpit. Yes it is a bit tight for me, I'm 6' 220lbs, especially negotiating the pedestal. But I do prefer to be able to reach my feet across to the lee side for bracing during a heel and I generally board over the gunnels from the dock rather than through the transom. I only use the transom to embark/dis-embark from the dinghy when anchored, not really too difficult. As for the head I rarely use it, it's the Admirals private head, I use a gatorade bottle and for the other discharge I will row ashore before huddling in that goofy little head be it X or M. I absolutely love the cavernous aft berth and would not sleep anywhere else. Considering the style of our use the 03-04M really fits our needs, and I really need that spaciousness below or the Admiral would have me cast adrift in the dinghy to get me out from under her feet. Also last but not least buying a new boat is like buying a new car or new house, no one else has used it before us so it doesn't require the Admirals disinfecting. :D
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