I'm back...Bimini top and many upgrades

[81venture]

Have you seen HIS boat in person? BTW, you said it was a 27 footer.

No you did i said it was a 1977 25 O'day

27 would be too much to tow home. 25 foot I can swing. My only concern is I removed the roller/cradle assembly and replaced it with two wooden "bunks" to better fit my venture23 I should be able to bring some scrap steel with me and after the O'day is on I can weld up supports in the middle to the trailer, then grind em off later on when I switch back.

This is still in the planning phases now. But we sealed the deal yesterday and agreed to swap. I got a month to figure it out, or sell it there, before I will owe another $126 slip fee for november

I might just go down there, rob the 9.9 off the back and the bimini and whatever other goodies I like and then clean it up and sell it for maybe $1500 - $2000

Way I look at it Any way it goes I'm not going to lose out. Those who follow this thread know I'm a nut anyway...


Whats a 'lake mast" they said....LOL

Cheers

Dave

[81venture]

Why does he want to trade that 27 Oday for a tiny 19 foot piece boat?

Somehow you got a 27 foot oday and a 19 foot Newport 16



Just joshing bro

cheers
Dave

[Russ]

Why does he want to trade that 27 Oday for a tiny 19 foot piece boat?

Somehow you got a 27 foot oday and a 19 foot Newport 16



Just joshing bro

cheers
Dave

You are right. I was thinking my friend had a 27' Oday and that boat looks like his. Guess I got it stuck in my head.

Either way, good deal for you.
Take some pics. The Oday is a nice boat.

[TheJoe]

You might not want to rob anything from it yet. You might like actually sailing a properly rigged boat, since it appears you haven't done any real sailing yet.

[Russ]

You might not want to rob anything from it yet. You might like actually sailing a properly rigged boat, since it appears you haven't done any real sailing yet.

What he said.

[81venture]

up yours with a 2x4 (my grandpa used to say)

I will eventually move the big mast to the venture (when we go to the coast) but for the lake around here you can't beat how I rigged it. takes less than 10 minutes to unstrap it, raise the lake mast and drop in the water. I can get in and out of the ramp faster than those fools who stare at me with their little boats.. I love the look on their faces when I am in and out so fast.

We don't get enough wind, plus the bridges, to make it worth the effort when we go to the lake to bring the big mast. but we go to that one a lot as our friends are there and 10 min to the ramp makes it the preferred choice when there's not 2 + hours to go to the coast.

You have to admit your impressed at my ingenuity in solving the dilemma of what to do when we go to falls....it sure beats going nekkid (no mast) like we did last year... Besides this NEW lake setup has a mainsail AND a front Jib whereas the first Lake setup was just that Hobie Mainsail. We went out with the new setup last saturday and although the good wind died as soon as we hoisted sail we got a few breezes to see that it does indeed move faster now, and steers better. I like to think of it, as a veteran, as Good Training as this new setup mimics roughly what I will deal with when I put the real mast up....the front jib is new, and it was fun to learn how it was rigged (a friend helped, a "master sailer")

So I am learning more basics with this setup


remember I made no mods to the boat nor the big mast rigging...I can switch it over in about 10 minutes in the yard....then just raise the big one at the coast. And now I have ALL the sails it needs and an extra Mainsail and an extra Jib.

Cheers mates

you turkeys

dave

[TheJoe]

My fully rigged 22 doesn't take any longer, by myself. If you have enough wind to run slow downwind, you have enough wind to run fast upwind.

I can only assume you have some very low bridges and that's why you have two different "setups".

In any case, no offense intended. I hope you get the chance to see what that oday is capable of, you might get a whole new perspective of the hobby.

[81venture]

None taken of course.

Yes it is the bridges that are the issue....that and falls lake is not a large "Open body" of water but more like a river with a lot of "alley ways" and bends so to speak.....sailing there is pretty much worthless regardless of what you have. But it is 10 min away to the ramp and we have a lot of friends there

Without some kind of winch system I could never step the large mast alone, and no way I could lower it to slip under the bridges....but the lake mast I can un-pin the front stay and dip under the bridge while the admiral steers....and do it singlehandly and on the water....

The two setups are simply because I can, and the lake setup was free

I'll post pics of the progress of course...first order of business is to get my Venture23 off the trailer safely

cheers

Dave

[Russ]

Keep the O'Day and move closer to it.

Problem solved.

If you are going to keep upgrading, it's the only solution.

[81venture]

What a wonderful day yesterday

8mph winds with gusts at 10mph

New lake setup performed better than expected

http://youtu.be/gJ_NHQrJNy8


On another note I get the paperwork for the Oday tomorrow or Wednesday


Cheers

Dave

[Russ]

Glad to see you enjoying sailing. Looks like fun. That headsail is a total mess. Rigged wrong and loose halyard. But you got out and sailed,that's the important thing.

[81venture]

Glad to see you enjoying sailing. Looks like fun. That headsail is a total mess. Rigged wrong and loose halyard. But you got out and sailed,that's the important thing.

I forgot to bring the Battens for the sail

What else is wrong? besides a bunch

please let me know....I think you mean headsail meaning the Jib?

Is it something I can correct without mods to the boat and original setup?

The lake setup is for now and for fun and training...I refuse to do anything with that setup that will comprimise the main mast setup..

however if I can make it better I will....for instance I would like this winter to raise the front stay about 2 foot higher up the mast so the Jib clears the Bow railing better...

I was very happy with the setup...the boat moved faster than the 8hp could ever push it...and when it heeled it kind of scared the **** out of both of us...

please, chime in

dave

[Y.B.Normal]

The headsail is the same as the jib. When you sheet in the jib (trim it in), you use the leeward sheet (rope). In other words, if the wind is coming from the left (Port) side, you trim it in using the right (Starboard) sheet. The way you have it in the youtube video, the jib is acting like a brake, not working like a sail. Keep practicing, you'll get it. There's also some good sail trim videos on the internet, and most sailors are willing to help you with questions.

Just remember, it takes only a few days to learn to sail...and the rest of your life to perfect it.

Enjoy your new boats!

Dale
Y.B.MORMAL

[81venture]

The way you have it in the youtube video, the jib is acting like a brake, not working like a sail.

hmm....so you are saying with a little more practice the boat would've gone faster than in the video ?

I dunno if we're ready It went plenty fast enough for us that day...first time the boat ever heeled on us

but you are right about one thing, the Admiral and I are hooked and can't wait to go out again....unfortunatly since I will have to cradle the Venture in the Yard to use my trailer to go get the O'day this might have been the last run for the season

[Russ]

please let me know....I think you mean headsail meaning the Jib?

Okay, some terms to start with.
Line: Ropes on a boat are called "Lines". With a few exceptions, this is the case.
Jib: Head sail. The foremost sail on the boat. If it's larger, it might be called a Genoa or "genny".
Sheets: A line (rope) used to control the movable corner of a sail. The main sheet is connected to the boom.
Halyard: A line (rope) used to hoist the sail.
Forestay: A piece of standing rigging which keeps a mast from falling backwards. It is attached either at the very top of the mast, or near the top of the mast. The other end of the forestay is attached to the bow of the boat.

So, in your video, the jib halyard is too lose. The jib is saggy and it's shape is compromised. The jib is connected to the forestay and should be tight. The video shows it sagging at the bottom. My guess is that your jib wasn't helping you much. Imagine how much better you would do with it set properly?

I didn't notice the batons missing. They help keep the main shape flat. Probably won't make a huge difference in performance.

Your jib sheets are connected backwards. The Port (left) should go to the left block and starboard (right)to the right block. See the diagram below. If you pull the jib to the opposite side of the mast, you will lose wind.

Heeling is normal and required for a sailboat. Excessive heeling is not and will spill wind off the top.

Your bumpers are dragging over the side. This is the nautical equivalent of having your pants hanging down and your underwear showing.

Now that you have a taste for sailing, you will find it even more fun and faster once you trim sails better. I will admit, Macgregor put together a rather nice simple "how to sail" page.
http://www.macgregor26.com/how_to_sail/how_to_sail.htm