trailer + boat lenght?

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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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raycarlson wrote:JUST TAKE your rig and boat to the nearest walmart etc late at night and practice backing around the lot.
^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^

Boats are strange things to back up anyway, as they're curved, and wider than the tow vehicle usually (wider than the mirrors, often), so what you see in the mirrors doesn't give as much of a sense of what's happening as it should. An RV, on the other hand, is the same width as the boat (both 8 ft, typically, plus mirrors), and gives a better visual.

The trick to backing, using mirrors or not, is to visualize the track the trailer tires are taking, and where you want them to go. The boat is irrelevant - it's the tires you're steering. Visualize the arc, and learn to put some in and take some out (tighten or loosen the radius the trailer tires are following) then maintain the arc, which is defined by the angle between the tow vehicle and the trailer (zero when straight). Visualize where you want the trailer tires to go, and put enough bend in the rig, and hold that bend, so the tires follow that arc. If too tight, take some out. Not tight enough, put more in, and in either case, follow the trailer with the tow vehicle once you've made the correction.

Learn how to start straight, put some bend in, then follow it so the angle doesn't change, just like taking a bend going forward - the trailer to vehicle angle remains constant. Starting straight, if you want to back to your left (driver's side), you turn the wheel to the right (forget the hand on the bottom of the wheel stuff) to start the rig bending that way, then as the rig starts bending, turn the wheel the other way to slow the rate the rig is bending. Turn it enough and you will follow the trailer in a constant arc. Turn more than that and you will 'take some out'. Keep taking some out, and you'll come around in front of it and be straight again. It's a matter of visualizing what the whole rig is doing while you're steering the trailer tires around like a wheelbarrow, including the steer axle of the tow vehicle.

In fact, that's a good way to start - going forward, establish a gentle turn, then back up and try to maintain that angle as viewed through the mirror (again, big empty parking lot). From there, start straight, back up, intentionally put some bend into the rig, then turn the other way to follow the trailer and hold the bend. More advanced is to make small corrections to increase or decrease the bend, and then hold that bend.

It's easier with a short tow vehicle and a long trailer, but the principle is the same for any trailer/tow vehicle combo. With the long overhang of an RV, it will react a bit faster, but at least you won't have to put the tires in the water when launching. :wink: It's a skill well worth developing, and I think you'll find it's not as daunting as you imagine it will be if you can get some practice in an open area. And learn how to use the mirrors. :)

(disclosure: I drove trailer trucks for nearly 15 years, many moons ago, so maybe my view is a bit jaded :| )
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Re: trailer + boat lenght plus RV = overlength

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Just a quick report. I towed my 26X on her 31 ft trailer with Smart Car sideways in front of trailer, behind my 40 ft diesel pusher RV. from Layton, Ut to New Orleans 1800 miles last month. No permit, no problems over mostly federal highways. Yes, the rig is longer than 18 wheelers. I'm thinking overlength issues are minimal along the interstates and a close reading of Federal DOT regs allows RVs as an exception class. Maybe I'm just lucky or stupid lucky. I hate paying fines. :P :evil:
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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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wow!, awesome! do have any pic's?

I just drove my 33 foot Winnebago from Vancouver to Interior BC via Seattle for the maiden trip. I can see the mac behind her now no problem.......except for the gas bill!
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just bought a 26M and towed it 150 miles with no problems, behind a 2012 Chrysler van. Am told by some that I need a weight distribution hitch and maybe a transmission cooler by others. Dealer parts guy agreed about the hitch but said a cooler was unnecessary. He said the towing capacity without the hitch was only 1800 lbs but 3600 with the hitch. Any thoughts?
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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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An :macm: and trailer rigged for actual use is going to weigh in at more than 3500 lb. It has some permanent ballast, which the :macx: does not, and of all the folks reporting the actual weight of their boat/trailer combos, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone's rig coming in at less than 4k, including the :macx:.

Having said that, I know some people tow with a minivan, as did the previous owners of mine. The long wheelbase is very nice, by the way. But it is a minivan, not a truck.

I've towed mine with the admiral's Honda Odyssey, and it drove very nicely. If I was going to use it for long distance towing, I'd add a tranny cooler. The torque converter will slip more towing a trailer, which means it's churning hydraulic fluid in the torque converter and the wasted power is turned to heat, which the baby liquid-to-liquid cooler in the radiator won't be able to handle, so the transmission temperature will rise. Heat (and dirt, and water) is the biggest enemy of hydraulics and hydraulic fluid, so for want of a $50 cooler, you could end up with premature transmission failure which I guarantee will cost bumpteen times more than the cost of a cooler.

Some vehicles even use a power steering cooler, because the high engine speeds when climbing hills (at lower vehicle speeds) also generates a lot of heat in that hydraulic system from high flow rates over the flow control valve (metering flow from high to low pressure equals heat generation). Just so you know.

Vehicles with factory tow packages (or tow prep packages) typically have heavy duty transmission cooling included, plus a heavier alternator, though with LED trailer lights, that's not really necessary, IMO.

The issue of towing a trailer beyond the rated capacity of the vehicle is something you have to decide about. I know that in Australia, it's a major no-no, according to what members here have said. In an accident in the States, I suppose a lawyer could make some hay with it, too. I prefer to stick to tow vehicles with a higher tow rating than required, as they always seem to be optimistic.
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fortunare wrote:just bought a 26M and towed it 150 miles with no problems, behind a 2012 Chrysler van. Am told by some that I need a weight distribution hitch and maybe a transmission cooler by others. Dealer parts guy agreed about the hitch but said a cooler was unnecessary. He said the towing capacity without the hitch was only 1800 lbs but 3600 with the hitch. Any thoughts?
When I bought my :macm:, I towed it from Cape Code to Ottawa (Canada) which is about 500 miles. We used a 2012 Dodge Grand Caravan with the factory towing package, rated for 3500lbs. It did a real good job and there are some hilly spots along the way. When I got close to home, my in-laws have a truck scale, so I put the boat and trailer on it and it came in at 4600lbs. Although the van pulled it well, I think I probably shaved a few years off the transmission's life. I've been looking for a beefier tow beast since.

Just last week, my 2002 Civic, was declare unsafe and unrepairable thanks to a big fat hole where the seat bolts are located. So, I thought: hello opportunity. In my driveway now sits a lovely 2006 Ford Expedition, 4wd, Eddie Bauer with sunroof and a nice purring 5.4L engine. I can't wait to tow the boat with it.

As to the load distributing hitch, it can make a big difference. The Expedition's towing capacity is rated at 8700lbs with it and 6000lbs without it.

If the polar vortex ever goes away and this winter ever ends, I'll take the boat to the scale now that I've completely emptied it for winter storage and post the "empty" boat weight.
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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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my 2013 Dodge Journey towed my 26 m from Atlanta to Tampa and back no problems with transmission temperatures within normal range The journey reads the trany temp if you desire. I did however beef my Dodge pick up with a larger torque converter and trany cooler for long hauls and mountain towing. I felt the 6 cylinder journey (SUV)was to weak to long haul and travel through the mountains. I also added a second axel which made a distinctive difference in towing, Especially considering a flat on the drivers side of the trailer on I 95. Keep in mind 55 MPH is the recommended speed for towing your Mac.
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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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The other thing to remember when backing a trailer is to watch the clearance of the tow vehicle..make sure you don't bang into things with the front of the car/truck/SUV/sav/latest marketing acronym for MUV
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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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Whose recommendation is it to tow a mac at 55?????
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Re: trailer + boat lenght?

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raycarlson wrote:Whose recommendation is it to tow a mac at 55?????
I just turned 57, and I still tow a Mac. :wink:
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59 here and still towing...LOL Actually I think I heard Roger say that on the video that the PO was nice enough to buy and leave with the boat . I'm with Sammy Haggar on that..I can't drive 55 :D Ron.
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Almost 59 and I still tow - although it really spends most of its time in a slip or in a boatyard. :D
raycarlson wrote:Whose recommendation is it to tow a mac at 55?????
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Bob Wilkie wrote:I have been refurbishing my 26X for a couple of years and store it in my HOA's parking area. When I bring it over to my home to work on it I have to back it into a very tight space. I have to do this alone in my 1995 Ford Aerostar 4 wheel drive long bed van and it's beyond my back up skills.
Yeah, I'm 61 and still backing my 26X into a very tight place. :)
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I'm impressed - I could not do that without a LOT of tries - at best. :D
Don T wrote:
Bob Wilkie wrote:I have been refurbishing my 26X for a couple of years and store it in my HOA's parking area. When I bring it over to my home to work on it I have to back it into a very tight space. I have to do this alone in my 1995 Ford Aerostar 4 wheel drive long bed van and it's beyond my back up skills.
Yeah, I'm 61 and still backing my 26X into a very tight place. :)
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Old/youthful they can go together. Live it up, this is not a dress rehearsal. I'm 70.5, loving retirement 1800 miles from home. Boat is in the water and used @every other day
I have great backing skills and can prove it with various scratches, scrapes and smashed rain gutter. Once the Las Vegas Police questioned me about hitting a car coming off the freeway (I didn't) they were pointing to the white paint on my trailer (think rain gutter) another of life's moments in the trailer sailor's life. :x

I recommend a front mounted hitch for your tow vehicle. I made both of mine so cost was minimal. I offset the one I use on my GMC, since I push the boat around a blind corner, it works great and I can see down the side of the boat after the turn, placing it exactly where I need it. :?: :| :macx:
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